What do you do about idiot drivers?

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Re: What do you do about idiot drivers?

Postby T.M.H.N.E.T » Tue Oct 02, 2012 14:13 pm

In reality what can you do?

<25kg worth of bike + your weight vs a car which will weigh anything from 800kg to 2500kg there really isn't any argument and only one winner.

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Re: What do you do about idiot drivers?

Postby JamesB5446 » Tue Oct 02, 2012 16:11 pm

I keep a stanley knife in my saddle bag.

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Re: What do you do about idiot drivers?

Postby wod1 » Tue Oct 02, 2012 16:15 pm

There is a shocking inability of the police to do anything, I dont think the drivers were trying to harm you, or me in incidents that annoy me, had numberous cars, trucks, vans etc just pulling out into my path as if I wasnt there. They did see me, they think cyclist think slow i`ll just pull out. 20 mph towards a vehicle pulling out annoys me a lot as I take avoiding action hard breaking etc. Same with overtaking I dont think it should be legal for a car to overtake a cyclist when a car is coming the opposite way unless it is super super wide. But they still do, many times getting flashed by the oncoming vehicle.

I ride very defensively now, i.e. taking a wider line going past junctions when cars are coming towards me in the opposite direction, around parked cars etc. It annoys motorists but I think it is better to be seen and annoy people than not be seen.

I had a close one at a roundabout which at first I fully blamed the car involved but then thought about it and seen that I should have riden more defensively and it wouldnt have happened.

Approaching a roundabout to turn right. One lane into the roundabout. I stay to the right side of the lane, signalling right while I give way to traffic on the roundabout, I stay right to be courteous to the car turning left behind me, roundabout becomes clear and both the car turning left and me turning right go onto the round about, it is only one lane but fairly wide. As I am well onto the roundabout car from the next entrance also pulls into the roundabout when it is my right or way and I have to take avoiding action, the car also stops in the middle round about. no real issue. That driver had entered the roundabout because he believed the car alongside me turning left was the only vechicle entering the roundabout. The incident become more probably by my courtesy by not taking the lane. Lesson learned.

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Re: What do you do about idiot drivers?

Postby bails87 » Tue Oct 02, 2012 16:18 pm

haf1zur wrote:Positioning at the time was pretty crap I must admit, even though on a bike lane, will have to look into that myself in the future.

Thanks for the comments everyone


charliew87 wrote:I'm still pretty shocked at the number of cyclists who I see who put themselves in situations to be subject to bad /dangerous driving. If there's a turn left lane at traffic lights, don't park yourself up on the left of any cars that might possibly flatten you.


Arguably the second point is a result of the first one. The "old style" cycling proficiency taught you to stay left. Cycle lanes encourage cyclists to keep left. Drivers shout/beep at cyclists who don't keep left. And then you get to a junction, keeping left, and get left hooked because you're not in the middle of the road! :?

wod1: Not really your fault. It's the driver's fault for not looking. It's just a shame we have to be so 'assertive/defensive/aggressive' to stay safe on the roads.
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Re: What do you do about idiot drivers?

Postby notnot » Tue Oct 02, 2012 19:33 pm

bails87 wrote:
charliew87 wrote:I'm still pretty shocked at the number of cyclists who I see who put themselves in situations to be subject to bad /dangerous driving. If there's a turn left lane at traffic lights, don't park yourself up on the left of any cars that might possibly flatten you.


Arguably the second point is a result of the first one. The "old style" cycling proficiency taught you to stay left. Cycle lanes encourage cyclists to keep left. Drivers shout/beep at cyclists who don't keep left. And then you get to a junction, keeping left, and get left hooked because you're not in the middle of the road! :?


Today - when I was riding towards a (red) light before a junction, near the centre of the lane - someone cut in front/to the right of me so I didn't have space to do anything but stay to their left. Not as if they gained any time, either - they were slower away from the lights than I was.

Gets to the point where it seems there's only less bad - rather than good - ways of dealing with some drivers :(

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Re: What do you do about idiot drivers?

Postby Simon Masterson » Tue Oct 02, 2012 19:35 pm

Do the Police swoop on bad drivers who inconvenience other drivers? If that were the case our roads would be barely populated. :lol:

But in all seriousness, whilst I do appreciate that there's a great deal more danger for those of us on two wheels, nevertheless I sympathise with the motorists to a certain extent: Cyclists are often difficult to spot in good weather, so the refusal of some to wear high-visibility clothing and/or use good lights (or any lights in some cases) because it makes them look uncool/spoils their Mark Cavendish fantasy, or they simply can't be bothered, doesn't help matters.

I'm also not entirely supportive of the use of helmet cameras; again I appreciate the motivation and the positive results that can be yielded, but I don't like the witch-hunt mentality, even if it isn't always as extreme as the behaviour of those cyclists who will yell 'LOOK FOR YOUR REG ON YOUTUBE TONIGHT!' at any motorist who makes a small mistake. Just one reason why I'm not at all surprised that some people are resentful of so-called 'lycra louts'.

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Re: What do you do about idiot drivers?

Postby ForumNewbie » Tue Oct 02, 2012 20:22 pm

It's the 'professional' drivers in white vans and lorries that I find pass to closely for comfort, especially on fast A and B roads. Some cars do as well, but its white van drivers particularly that I feel are over-confident in trying to pass you too closely. If I was to wobble off the straight line due to a pothole or whatever as they pass, I feel I could easily be hit. I have started communiting again on my hybrid with flat pedals, as I was feeling more nervous in heavy traffic recently when clipped-in on my road bike after a few narrow misses.

I am also wary of cars turning left in front of me at junctions. Thankfully a lot of traffic light junctions now have a cycle stopping area right along the front of the lane, encouraging cyclists to stop in the middle rather than the left of the lane. It bugs me drivers that stop in this area - but I don't think most drivers bother about that or even realise what it is for, despite the big white painted cycle on the ground.

If the government are serious about encouraging more commuting by bike, I think they need to specifically publicise the need for car and van drivers to look out for cyclists when turning left, and to give cyclists a wide berth when passing them, especially at speed.

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Re: What do you do about idiot drivers?

Postby velvetytoast » Tue Oct 02, 2012 20:49 pm

I'm starting a campaign to get all drivers to have their lights on and wear Hi-Viz so it is easier to see them in these situations - anyone like to second it?

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Re: What do you do about idiot drivers?

Postby phy2sll2 » Wed Oct 03, 2012 14:56 pm

velvetytoast wrote:I'm starting a campaign to get all drivers to have their lights on and wear Hi-Viz so it is easier to see them in these situations - anyone like to second it?



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Re: What do you do about idiot drivers?

Postby jonomc4 » Wed Oct 03, 2012 15:25 pm

got to say about the situations mentioned - when I am at lights where there is a left turn directly ahead. I will take what I believe is called "primary position" - basically I sit in the middle of the lane so they can't go past me to overtake. - If I am not at the front or I see cars indicating left I sit behind them in the middle of the lane again and let them go first - this way I never face the issues you have had. But there are still plenty of others incidents though :) - basically I just ignore them - or call the driver something.

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Re: What do you do about idiot drivers?

Postby mikebikemike » Wed Oct 03, 2012 19:40 pm

JamesB5446 wrote:I keep a stanley knife in my saddle bag.


Not a good idea

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Re: What do you do about idiot drivers?

Postby Garry H » Wed Oct 03, 2012 19:54 pm

mikebikemike wrote:
JamesB5446 wrote:I keep a stanley knife in my saddle bag.


Not a good idea


i agree, you should put it in your pocket for quicker access!

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Re: What do you do about idiot drivers?

Postby Simon Masterson » Wed Oct 03, 2012 22:06 pm

velvetytoast wrote:I'm starting a campaign to get all drivers to have their lights on and wear Hi-Viz so it is easier to see them in these situations - anyone like to second it?


*Yawn...*

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Re: What do you do about idiot drivers?

Postby JamesB5446 » Thu Oct 04, 2012 15:44 pm

Garry H wrote:
mikebikemike wrote:
JamesB5446 wrote:I keep a stanley knife in my saddle bag.


Not a good idea


i agree, you should put it in your pocket for quicker access!

Top tip. Thanks.

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Re: What do you do about idiot drivers?

Postby shandyout » Thu Oct 04, 2012 23:02 pm

On my daily commute i'm allways struck by how little attention drivers take, dont they realise how fragile we are?

As others have alluded to good karma is the key for me. I smile and thank drivers who give the extra inches or pause before pulling out. Its all to easy to let the adrenalin take over, get worked up & give in to the road rage so lighten the mood- we are all just trying to get where we are going.

One last thing; as a driver nothing makes my blood boil like idiots on bikes...

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Re: What do you do about idiot drivers?

Postby Ec0 » Thu Oct 04, 2012 23:27 pm

Ignore them, a car quickly becomes a ton and a half of lethal weapon if the driver loses their head.

Some situations can be avoided by stuff you can do yourself. Anticipating a situation, thinking about your position on the road and keeping your options open to make sure you don't ride yourself into a situation where the only outcome is an accident. Expect the worst and plan accordingly, then at least if it does happen you can hopefully limit the damage.

I find there are just as many dicks in cars regardless of if I'm in my car, on my motorbike or if I'm cycling, you just notice them more generally while cycling as you are more vulnerable. the main difference is you see more of them on the bike since you're going slower and they're trying to pass you.

Unless its blatant dangerous driving and you have it captured on tape from start to finish, reporting them to the police will likely result in them unable to do anything.

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Re: What do you do about idiot drivers?

Postby Ec0 » Thu Oct 04, 2012 23:33 pm

Simon Masterson wrote:
Cyclists are often difficult to spot in good weather, so the refusal of some to wear high-visibility clothing and/or use good lights (or any lights in some cases) because it makes them look uncool/spoils their Mark Cavendish fantasy


If it wasn't for all the jersey etiquette nazi's these guys would be clearly visible in their multi-coloured rainbow bands and more obvious to motorists.

Maybe in the interests on road safety the UCI should change rainbow to grey scale and the TDF yellow to camouflage so these bright colours can once again be used on the roads without ridicule :lol:

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Re: What do you do about idiot drivers?

Postby wod1 » Mon Jan 07, 2013 14:03 pm

shandyout wrote:On my daily commute i'm allways struck by how little attention drivers take, dont they realise how fragile we are?

As others have alluded to good karma is the key for me. I smile and thank drivers who give the extra inches or pause before pulling out. Its all to easy to let the adrenalin take over, get worked up & give in to the road rage so lighten the mood- we are all just trying to get where we are going.




As of the time of new year resolutions etc I cycled in under the good karma mode. Having started to get a little annoyed at various incidents from motorists which have ended me shouting a bit of abuse at the offender in their vehicle with no really likelihood of being able to hear me anyway and so probably looking like a bit of an idiot. I have decided to try and be a little less hot headed. Not really my style to be hotheaded about any thing really but went I feel my life has been endangered it is easy to get angry before being able to think more rationally.


17 mile circuit on the way to work, with the aim to be in good karma mode.

1-white BMW squeezing in on top of me on a roundabout - friendly wave to warm my presence.
2-Hill climb through a twisty bit of road with a tanker stuck behind me, lots of cars the other way, pulled in to a layby to let the tanker pass and so not hold him up.
3- bit further up a close call when this red estate car brakes very hard behind me after a botched overtake, lots of squealing brakes from the car and a good bit of bad language comes automatically out of my mouth for that incident, the response from the car after his botched error was lots of horn use all the way down the road after he did overtake
4- white van man is briefly stuck behind me and then passed with a loud blast on the horn, Just kept cycling and ignore, (pleased I kept calm on this case as there was a police land rover behind and so made him look bad rather than me reacting as I can do sometimes)
5- Approaching a blind summit, this car slows right down, keeps well back and then passed nice and wide and slow so give wave of thanks than is reciprocated. This part did make my ride in as it was a textbook perfect approach to overtaking followed by thanks for being thanked!

I still need further work on the good karma riding!

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Re: What do you do about idiot drivers?

Postby CookeeeMonster » Mon Jan 07, 2013 14:58 pm

Simon Masterson wrote: Cyclists are often difficult to spot in good weather, so the refusal of some to wear high-visibility clothing and/or use good lights (or any lights in some cases) because it makes them look uncool/spoils their Mark Cavendish fantasy, or they simply can't be bothered, doesn't help matters.


I'll phrase this nicely: Do you agree that woman who wear shorts skirts deserve to be taken against their will?

That comment was over the top to be honest, but I'll leave it in because the point i'm making is: Victim blaming - sorry I'm not having it. If you want to wear high viz then fine, if you don't then also fine (good road positioning is far more effective in my opinion). Are black or dark coloured cars banned from the road? No. Should they be? Is that what you're saying?

As long as you're road legal (and 100% you should have decent lights in the dark) then it's 100% the duty of the driver to follow the most basic tenet of the highway code and use their freaking eyes. If you wanna help them by wearing high viz and reflective clothing than that's fine by me, but I'm not gonna blame cyclists who don't just because a driver didn't follow the most basic rules of the highway code and hit them.
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Re: What do you do about idiot drivers?

Postby Steve236 » Mon Jan 07, 2013 16:20 pm

If you cycle along Euston Road from the direction of the Marylebone flyover towards Kings Cross there's in inordinate number of left turn feeder lanes. The one time I went this way, as I was going straight on, I would move to the outside of these lanes (i.e. into the straight in lane) to avoid cars cutting me up whilst turning left. This didn't half annoy cars coming up behind me though!


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