Are the Tories being more divisive on purpose?

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Are the Tories being more divisive on purpose?

Postby pb21 » Mon Oct 08, 2012 10:50 am

Are they trying to force a bigger wedge between the wealthy and the non-wealthy than you would normally expect from them? It seems so to me.

They seem to be playing the welfare cuts card as a good thing, using misinformation, and lazy stereotypes (not uncommon amongst politicians). They dismiss the possibility of a ‘mansion tax’ as a tax on hard work, rather than a tax on wealth (as if nurses aren’t wealthy because they don’t work hard).

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Re: Are the Tories being more divisive on purpose?

Postby paul_mck » Mon Oct 08, 2012 11:45 am

the points I caught on the news were:

- harder to get housing benefit for under 25s. Yup agree with that.
- cap on benefits. agree with that also.

being on benefits CANNOT be a career choice and people cant keep knocking out kids willy nilly knowing the state will fund them. Sorry but f**k right off. Free cars, free house, a good wage worth in benefits, it has to stop. Most working couples have to scrimp and save to afford a child. benefits should be a safety net to help people in trouble, not a viable career choice.

And one thing to consider, without "rich" people there would be no investment in businesses, no businesses, no jobs, etc. They buy goods, thus keeping people IN jobs, and invest their money giving people NEW jobs.

You can only hammer the rich so much before they move their money abroad and there ends up a real problem.

(PS Im not rich!)

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Re: Are the Tories being more divisive on purpose?

Postby fast as fupp » Mon Oct 08, 2012 11:58 am

can you give me some more info on these free houses and cars theyre giving away? i'd like to apply.
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Re: Are the Tories being more divisive on purpose?

Postby Bozman » Mon Oct 08, 2012 11:58 am

Can't fault them on the benefit cuts and apparently Labour would do the same.

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Re: Are the Tories being more divisive on purpose?

Postby fast as fupp » Mon Oct 08, 2012 12:07 pm

aye! take it out on the poor.
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Re: Are the Tories being more divisive on purpose?

Postby paul_mck » Mon Oct 08, 2012 12:09 pm

fast as fupp wrote:can you give me some more info on these free houses and cars theyre giving away? i'd like to apply.


you dont have to look far to find someone with a DLA car, housing benefit and a stack of kids. Why on earth would they go to work?

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Re: Are the Tories being more divisive on purpose?

Postby fast as fupp » Mon Oct 08, 2012 12:11 pm

so how do i get all these wonderful things?
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Re: Are the Tories being more divisive on purpose?

Postby paul_mck » Mon Oct 08, 2012 12:14 pm

fast as fupp wrote:so how do i get all these wonderful things?


lie through your teeth and have loads of kids seems to the preferred approach

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Re: Are the Tories being more divisive on purpose?

Postby fast as fupp » Mon Oct 08, 2012 12:20 pm

thats odd that because the only people i know who drive around in DLA cars happen to be working full time. they need cars to get to work as they are disabled-

as for benefits for mothers what would you have- the children taken away from them or for them to be made homeless and starve. look at the rise in food banks around the u.k. people are struggling and not just those out of work.

i think youve swallowed a daily mail and its coming out your bum hole.
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Re: Are the Tories being more divisive on purpose?

Postby ALIHISGREAT » Mon Oct 08, 2012 12:29 pm

Its not 'taking it out on the poor'...


Its just reversing the bad decisions made by the previous labour government from 1997-2010.

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Re: Are the Tories being more divisive on purpose?

Postby paul_mck » Mon Oct 08, 2012 12:29 pm

maybe NI is different as half here on DLA dont need it and half who cant get it do need it.

same with flats/houses. My mum lives in a council flat and of the 3 flats around her I think maybe one actually needs it. The others are rarely there, so clearly dont need it.

as for the daily mail, p!ss right off.

The benefits system seems to be fundamentally broken and rather than fix it Labour seemed happy to just chuck money at it and ignore it. Now Im not saying the Tories are doing any better but if the people who should be working, worked, then the deserved people might actually get a fairer deal.

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Re: Are the Tories being more divisive on purpose?

Postby fast as fupp » Mon Oct 08, 2012 12:33 pm

ALIHISGREAT wrote:Its not 'taking it out on the poor'...


Its just reversing the bad decisions made by the previous labour government from 1997-2010.


i dont see your rich friends suffering, toryboy.
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Re: Are the Tories being more divisive on purpose?

Postby fast as fupp » Mon Oct 08, 2012 12:35 pm

paul_mck wrote:maybe NI is different as half here on DLA dont need it and half who cant get it do need it.

same with flats/houses. My mum lives in a council flat and of the 3 flats around her I think maybe one actually needs it. The others are rarely there, so clearly dont need it.

as for the daily mail, p!ss right off.

The benefits system seems to be fundamentally broken and rather than fix it Labour seemed happy to just chuck money at it and ignore it. Now Im not saying the Tories are doing any better but if the people who should be working, worked, then the deserved people might actually get a fairer deal.


just where are the jobs for these folk who should work then? every vacancy in these parts has at least 100 applicants.
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Re: Are the Tories being more divisive on purpose?

Postby paul_mck » Mon Oct 08, 2012 12:41 pm

I cant answer that question, no idea where you live or what jobs are like.

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Re: Are the Tories being more divisive on purpose?

Postby pb21 » Mon Oct 08, 2012 12:49 pm

The thing is they seem to be cutting welfare with daily mail like reasoning and manner.

No doubt welfare can be cut, and may well it should be too. But to justify it they are going about it in a way of vilifying those on benefits, like I say being divisive.

At the same time they don't impose a 'mansion tax' because people who live in mansions are hard workers and it wouldn't be fair for a tax on hard work.

But a mansion tax wouldn't be a tax on hard work, it would be a tax on wealth. If it was a tax on hard work nurses, and masses of the population would be taxed as well.

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Re: Are the Tories being more divisive on purpose?

Postby MaxwellBygraves » Mon Oct 08, 2012 13:09 pm

Of course they are.

Bash the unemployed and the working poor. Turn them against each other so they lose sight of the parasites at the top.

Divide and rule, baby.
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Re: Are the Tories being more divisive on purpose?

Postby MaxwellBygraves » Mon Oct 08, 2012 13:14 pm

ALIHISGREAT wrote:Its not 'taking it out on the poor'...




Quite right, those at the top are feeling the pinch at the moment too.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/9233 ... evels.html
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Re: Are the Tories being more divisive on purpose?

Postby springtide9 » Mon Oct 08, 2012 13:15 pm

pb21 wrote:The thing is they seem to be cutting welfare with daily mail like reasoning and manner.

No doubt welfare can be cut, and may well it should be too. But to justify it they are going about it in a way of vilifying those on benefits, like I say being divisive.

At the same time they don't impose a 'mansion tax' because people who live in mansions are hard workers and it wouldn't be fair for a tax on hard work.

But a mansion tax wouldn't be a tax on hard work, it would be a tax on wealth. If it was a tax on hard work nurses, and masses of the population would be taxed as well.


I think the Tories are aware that many of the people who would be hit by the 'mansion tax' have had poor bonus payouts the last few years; in sum cases, these have been less than £100k.

I think even Margaret Thatcher would be embarrassed by some of the policies the Tories have introduced the last few years.

To date, we all have been hit by higher taxes, almost completely across the board.... apart from the rich, who have had a tax cut. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to work out that although we are all being told 'we are equal' (in terms of having to be impacted by austerity cuts), that some people are 'more equal' than others.
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Re: Are the Tories being more divisive on purpose?

Postby paul_mck » Mon Oct 08, 2012 13:20 pm

jesus lads, you know we live in a capitalist country right?

Try communism, that works real well we can all be poor together :(

Even try the USA, queue all night to see a volunteer doctor, food stamps, the lot. Id much rather be out of work in this country than the US.

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Re: Are the Tories being more divisive on purpose?

Postby pb21 » Mon Oct 08, 2012 13:32 pm

paul_mck wrote:jesus lads, you know we live in a capitalist country right?

Try communism, that works real well we can all be poor together :(

Even try the USA, queue all night to see a volunteer doctor, food stamps, the lot. Id much rather be out of work in this country than the US.


Eh, just because we live in a capitalist society and I am complaining about the ruling party doesn’t mean I want a move to communism (why bring up communism?!), or more towards a US style society, in fact that’s what I don’t want!!!

Of course you would prefer to be unemployed here rather than the US, that’s the point I am making. It seems there is a similar thing going on in the US at the moment with the ‘tea party’ movement. More divide and rule.
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