Wet weather tyres

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Wet weather tyres

Postby Cheesecake13 » Mon Oct 08, 2012 19:02 pm

Hi All

Firstly I'm new here so just checking in to say hi. Secondly I'm having a tyre debate which follows...

I hadn't hit the trails in around 12 years and then decided it was time to have a go again. Around 2 months ago I purchased a 2012 Cannondale SL5, thought it was a nice enough frame to upgrade as I went along and got back up to speed. I've been to Swinley Forest (Surrey) a couple of times and it's preformed pretty poorly in the wet!!!

The issue (apart from my lack of skill currently) is the tyres which are Schwalbe Rapid Rob, 2.1"...summer tyres basically! Shocking in the wet!

I'm looking for a good set of wet weather tyres for good traction on the slippery roots etc as well as through the boggy mud. Any ideas would be very welcome please? I appreciate theirs not a quick fix as such and my skill/technique will need to improve also but would be good to have a few ideas.

I've been given a few ideas already which I'll hold back for now as keen to get a fresh perspective.

Thanks in advance :-)

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Re: Wet weather tyres

Postby The Rookie » Mon Oct 08, 2012 19:42 pm

I'm not a Swinley man, wait for those who are to confirm, but you won't go to far wrong with Bontrager XR4's. Personally I like Panaracer Fire XC Pro as, while they are not outstanding in any one area, they don't fail in any area either, great allrounders.

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Re: Wet weather tyres

Postby cooldad » Mon Oct 08, 2012 19:49 pm

Nothing will help you on evil wet Swinley roots. They have your name and number.
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Re: Wet weather tyres

Postby Cheesecake13 » Mon Oct 08, 2012 20:35 pm

The Beginner wrote:I'm not a Swinley man, wait for those who are to confirm, but you won't go to far wrong with Bontrager XR4's. Personally I like Panaracer Fire XC Pro as, while they are not outstanding in any one area, they don't fail in any area either, great allrounders.


Thanks for the info. I heard they're both good tyres. Would you run them both front and back?

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Re: Wet weather tyres

Postby Cheesecake13 » Mon Oct 08, 2012 20:36 pm

cooldad wrote:Nothing will help you on evil wet Swinley roots. They have your name and number.


Haha I think you might be right. Do you ride there a lot? It's been great fun, with a little more traction it'd be better though...my bikes survived a few crashes but my 30 year old bones might not survive many more!!!

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Re: Wet weather tyres

Postby The Rookie » Mon Oct 08, 2012 20:41 pm

I run Panaracer fire Xc pro at both ends, 2.1's, I have a 1.8 for when it gets gloopier that goes on the rear and when it's really muddy a Fire Mud. Never run an XR4, but people I ride with have....

Nothing really grips wet roots, you aim to hit them in such a way that it doesn't matter.

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Re: Wet weather tyres

Postby Cheesecake13 » Mon Oct 08, 2012 20:47 pm

The Beginner wrote:I run Panaracer fire Xc pro at both ends, 2.1's, I have a 1.8 for when it gets gloopier that goes on the rear and when it's really muddy a Fire Mud. Never run an XR4, but people I ride with have....

Nothing really grips wet roots, you aim to hit them in such a way that it doesn't matter.

30, your just a kid!


Thanks, I really appreciate your help.

Oh and yes I'm doing alright at 30...after 12 years out I feel a lot older but hoping I'll be back up to speed soon.

Thanks again :-)

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Re: Wet weather tyres

Postby Cheesecake13 » Mon Oct 08, 2012 20:57 pm

Any Swinley fans around?

I also heard that Continental Verticals weren't bad for the front and perhaps coupled well with Maxxis High Rollers on the back. Any thoughts on this?

I'm basically really out of touch and not sure whether to stick a 2.3/4 on the front and a 2.1 on the back or whether to go for 2x 2.2's!

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Re: Wet weather tyres

Postby cooldad » Mon Oct 08, 2012 21:06 pm

Cheesecake13 wrote:
cooldad wrote:Nothing will help you on evil wet Swinley roots. They have your name and number.


Haha I think you might be right. Do you ride there a lot? It's been great fun, with a little more traction it'd be better though...my bikes survived a few crashes but my 30 year old bones might not survive many more!!!

Fairly often - it's a few minutes down the road.
Have a look in London Calling in Rides - most weeks there's something organised (badly) at Swinley, Surrey Hills or Caesars Camp or Aston for the more heroic types and odd trips to Wales etc.
Nothing too serious, and it's a rule they have to wait for me so pretty slow as well.
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Re: Wet weather tyres

Postby Cheesecake13 » Mon Oct 08, 2012 21:12 pm

cooldad wrote:
Cheesecake13 wrote:
cooldad wrote:Nothing will help you on evil wet Swinley roots. They have your name and number.


Haha I think you might be right. Do you ride there a lot? It's been great fun, with a little more traction it'd be better though...my bikes survived a few crashes but my 30 year old bones might not survive many more!!!

Fairly often - it's a few minutes down the road.
Have a look in London Calling in Rides - most weeks there's something organised (badly) at Swinley, Surrey Hills or Caesars Camp or Aston for the more heroic types and odd trips to Wales etc.
Nothing too serious, and it's a rule they have to wait for me so pretty slow as well.


Sounds good, thanks for the tip. I'm enjoying Swinley, it's a good place to learn with the various runs and trails. Hopefully with new tyres will be new confidence and more speed. I heard there were some good places in the Surrey Hills too.

Again, appreciate the help.

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Re: Wet weather tyres

Postby cooldad » Mon Oct 08, 2012 21:33 pm

Yeah, between us we know most of the best bits. Lots of good stuff in SH but it's best to go with someone who knows the place as it's huge and you can spend days riding around and find nothing.
Lot's of lesser known trails at Swinley as well - you can string a 15-20 mile ride together without repeating anything and avoiding fireroads.
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Re: Wet weather tyres

Postby widge34 » Tue Oct 09, 2012 05:22 am

Specialized storms. Better than bontys Mud x. They give me so much confidence.
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Re: Wet weather tyres

Postby Cheesecake13 » Tue Oct 09, 2012 07:25 am

cooldad wrote:Yeah, between us we know most of the best bits. Lots of good stuff in SH but it's best to go with someone who knows the place as it's huge and you can spend days riding around and find nothing.
Lot's of lesser known trails at Swinley as well - you can string a 15-20 mile ride together without repeating anything and avoiding fireroads.


I agree, so much to do at Swinley. When we arrive there seems to be a lot of people around, full car park etc but on the trails we rarely bump into anyone.

So what tyres are you using?

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Re: Wet weather tyres

Postby Cheesecake13 » Tue Oct 09, 2012 07:26 am

widge34 wrote:Specialized storms. Better than bontys Mud x. They give me so much confidence.


The magic C word...that's what I need my tyres to deliver. Thanks for the tip :D

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Re: Wet weather tyres

Postby mrmonkfinger » Tue Oct 09, 2012 08:27 am

Cheesecake13 wrote:I also heard that Continental Verticals weren't bad


I have Vertical Pros (the posh version) on both ends, I like. I don't know what they're like in Swinley though, they work pretty good in FoD.

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Re: Wet weather tyres

Postby cooldad » Tue Oct 09, 2012 09:16 am

Cheesecake13 wrote:
cooldad wrote:Yeah, between us we know most of the best bits. Lots of good stuff in SH but it's best to go with someone who knows the place as it's huge and you can spend days riding around and find nothing.
Lot's of lesser known trails at Swinley as well - you can string a 15-20 mile ride together without repeating anything and avoiding fireroads.


I agree, so much to do at Swinley. When we arrive there seems to be a lot of people around, full car park etc but on the trails we rarely bump into anyone.

So what tyres are you using?

I use Maxxis Ignitors, Exception series (soft compound) all year, work well enough for me and keeps life simple.
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Re: Wet weather tyres

Postby Cheesecake13 » Tue Oct 09, 2012 12:48 pm

mrmonkfinger wrote:
Cheesecake13 wrote:I also heard that Continental Verticals weren't bad


I have Vertical Pros (the posh version) on both ends, I like. I don't know what they're like in Swinley though, they work pretty good in FoD.


Cheers. I know I'm not going to get a great set of tyres for roots etc and that technique is the key...anything will be better than my current tyres though!

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Re: Wet weather tyres

Postby Cheesecake13 » Tue Oct 09, 2012 12:52 pm

So what tyres are you using?[/quote]
I use Maxxis Ignitors, Exception series (soft compound) all year, work well enough for me and keeps life simple.[/quote]

I'll check them out...keen to get a pair sorted for the weekend after next when we head to Swinley or Surrey Hills. Hopefully this weekend I'll be on a few standard country trails to get back up to speed.

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Re: Wet weather tyres

Postby Cheesecake13 » Tue Oct 09, 2012 16:42 pm

Anyone else got an favourite tyres for the wet? I'm also keen for advice on sizing...better to have a bigger one on the front like 2.3/2.4 for instance?

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Re: Wet weather tyres

Postby The Rookie » Tue Oct 09, 2012 20:41 pm

Wet what?
Rock, leaf mould, grass, thick mud, tarmac, sand, hard pack gravel?


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