2013 TdF Mountain Heavy?

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Re: 2013 TdF Mountain Heavy?

Postby greasedscotsman » Tue Oct 09, 2012 10:38 am

Dave_1 wrote:
frenchfighter wrote:
Dave_1 wrote:Agree with Gazetta . Barrier more of the road and control traffic and fans in the days leading up to it perhaps? The Alpe is interesting as can as the times might say something about cleanliness of TDF/ the sport in that year.

Barriers appeared much further down Alp D'huez the year after this chaos at 15 minutes 20 seconds which poss cost the rider the stage....http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=429nLMSYqCQ


Amount of motos in there is ridiculous and totally unsafe. It still surprises me that these motos are allowed to ride so close and fast to fans. They, along with the stupid cars totally dampen any experience I have had beside the road live.



Yes, it's dangerous for fans and some have been killed by TDF traffice. Is it time for some sort of ticketing to get onto the Alpe? How to make it safer?


That would be a sad day for cycling if ticketing was introduced. One things I like about bike racing compared to other sports is that if you are prepared to turn up early enough, you can watch where you like.

And I'm not sure the business owners on the Alpe would be too happy with restricting fans on the climb. They want fans to turn up. Even better if they are there for a few days or even a week before. It sort of goes against the reason why the Alpe would pay all the money they do to get the race to go there.

Most of the accidents that happen with fans are with the publicity caravan. Kids running out in front of cars to get some free crap of some sort. The caravan doesn't go that fast on the Alpe, don't think there is much of a risk there.

But FF is right about the amount of cars and vans that the Tour uses. When you go and see the race, there are cars going past all day. Do all these people really need to be on the race? Probably not. The ASO could defo do something about that.

The best way to limit the number of people trying to get to the climb is not to make it the focal point of the race. Having it on the Friday as it was in 2011 wasn't a great idea. Galibier stage the day before and Grenoble TT the day after was always going to attract lots of fans due to the close proximity. Spread it all out a bit. Throw in some big stages before and after the Alpe, give the fans something else to go to. Double ascent of the Alpe is a bad idea!
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Re: 2013 TdF Mountain Heavy?

Postby Richmond Racer » Tue Oct 09, 2012 10:40 am

If the gendarmes spent a little more time actually controlling the crowds on climbs rather than flirting with the female spectators it would also be helpful - they do bugger all in the way of crowd contol

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Re: 2013 TdF Mountain Heavy?

Postby Nick Fitt » Tue Oct 09, 2012 11:19 am

Richmond Racer wrote:If the gendarmes spent a little more time actually controlling the crowds on climbs rather than flirting with the female spectators it would also be helpful - they do bugger all in the way of crowd contol

The Gendarmes aren't meant for crowd control, I think its the National police job. Its the chaos that makes the mountain stages for me.

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Re: 2013 TdF Mountain Heavy?

Postby Richmond Racer » Tue Oct 09, 2012 11:38 am

Nick Fitt wrote:
Richmond Racer wrote:If the gendarmes spent a little more time actually controlling the crowds on climbs rather than flirting with the female spectators it would also be helpful - they do bugger all in the way of crowd contol

The Gendarmes aren't meant for crowd control, I think its the National police job. Its the chaos that makes the mountain stages for me.


Whatever, the police. You may enjoy the idiots running alongside but some of them do actually present danger to the riders

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Re: 2013 TdF Mountain Heavy?

Postby ThomThom » Tue Oct 09, 2012 11:40 am

I think some of you are overreacting a bit here. It's has been very limited with episodes of tragic character because of safety issues. How many have been killed or severely injuried by traffic on the acents..? The motorbikes go with like 20-25 km/h.. I really don't think there's a problem with a mountain packed with spectators other than it being a logistic nightmare - but so is parking a car to a local football game.

Full barrier set up and especially ticketing would be the beginning of a slow death to the sport.

Obviously, the safety of the riders is a different matter. But again, I really think it's limited with episodes where spectators were a major concern and caused an accident. I do have a slight problem with spectators running alongside the riders, mind you.

Unless you are an idiot dressed up like a f'ucking squirrel in California, with no intentions what so ever but taking the p*ss of the sport, there shouldn't be restrictions for you to turn up and cheer. You get 2 seconds of a rider fighting his way up a mountain - the experience gets no better 2 meter further away from the riders behind barriers with in mind that you had to kick in some money for it as well.
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Re: 2013 TdF Mountain Heavy?

Postby hammerite » Tue Oct 09, 2012 12:01 pm

RR - my comment on the previous page about finish at AdH was about a stage finish not the race finish.

Agree about the amount of vehicles. We'd been sat/stood out all day and Jnr missed the race sulking against the wall after we told him to step back so he didn't get a whack on the head from a bike/car wing mirror! We must've had the most diligent copper in France near us, if you so much as farted he blew a whistle in your ear telling you to stop, didn't see him eat or drink all day and didn't interact with the crowd.

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Re: 2013 TdF Mountain Heavy?

Postby greasedscotsman » Tue Oct 09, 2012 12:07 pm

hammerite wrote:We must've had the most diligent copper in France near us, if you so much as farted he blew a whistle in your ear telling you to stop, didn't see him eat or drink all day and didn't interact with the crowd.


The task of the day at the Boulogne stage this year was to see if we could make the Gendarme by us laugh. Managed to get a smile out of him, but not a laugh... :D

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Re: 2013 TdF Mountain Heavy?

Postby Richmond Racer » Tue Oct 09, 2012 12:16 pm

hammerite wrote:RR - my comment on the previous page about finish at AdH was about a stage finish not the race finish.

Agree about the amount of vehicles. We'd been sat/stood out all day and Jnr missed the race sulking against the wall after we told him to step back so he didn't get a whack on the head from a bike/car wing mirror! We must've had the most diligent copper in France near us, if you so much as farted he blew a whistle in your ear telling you to stop, didn't see him eat or drink all day and didn't interact with the crowd.


Ah, my bad. I swear to God, at this year's Prologue the copper closest to us near the start ramp must have flirted with this girl oblivious to anything else for a straight 2 hours...vive l'amour, I guess!

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Re: 2013 TdF Mountain Heavy?

Postby frenchfighter » Tue Oct 09, 2012 12:17 pm

Issues re actual deaths/injury are there, but I was leaning more towards the fact when you are there and the idiot news cars and follow ons and 500 motos make so much noise, so much pollution, so much sense of danger. It feels shoot and unlike anything that is romantic about the sport.

In front of Quintana when he won this weekend there were about 8 police motos in front of him. WTF?!
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Re: 2013 TdF Mountain Heavy?

Postby ThomThom » Tue Oct 09, 2012 12:56 pm

frenchfighter wrote:In front of Quintana when he won this weekend there were about 8 police motos in front of him. WTF?!


That seems a bit much I'll admit.

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Re: 2013 TdF Mountain Heavy?

Postby Richmond Racer » Tue Oct 09, 2012 13:06 pm

ThomThom wrote:
frenchfighter wrote:In front of Quintana when he won this weekend there were about 8 police motos in front of him. WTF?!


That seems a bit much I'll admit.



Mens Olympic RR this year - at least 15 motos in front, no exaggeration

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Re: 2013 TdF Mountain Heavy?

Postby mike6 » Tue Oct 09, 2012 18:07 pm

I was spectating at a couple of the Vuelta stages this year and there seemed to be more police motos go past than riders in the race. The Spanish police really do like there motorbikes.

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Re: 2013 TdF Mountain Heavy?

Postby xscreamsuk » Tue Oct 09, 2012 18:23 pm

huge numbers of motos in the TOB stage I went to this year,

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Re: 2013 TdF Mountain Heavy?

Postby frenchfighter » Wed Oct 10, 2012 12:05 pm

Contador is the Greatest

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Re: 2013 TdF Mountain Heavy?

Postby Pross » Wed Oct 10, 2012 13:05 pm

Is that correct about the causeway to Mont St Michel not being affected by the tide? I always thought it was from previous uses in the Tour and that this was the reason it could be so slippery.

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Re: 2013 TdF Mountain Heavy?

Postby greasedscotsman » Wed Oct 10, 2012 13:19 pm

Pross wrote:Is that correct about the causeway to Mont St Michel not being affected by the tide? I always thought it was from previous uses in the Tour and that this was the reason it could be so slippery.


Maybe the early starters will have to swim to the finish line!
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Re: 2013 TdF Mountain Heavy?

Postby Pross » Wed Oct 10, 2012 13:21 pm

I can think of one ex-pro that might make a comeback if that's the case ;)

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Re: 2013 TdF Mountain Heavy?

Postby greasedscotsman » Wed Oct 10, 2012 13:33 pm

Pross wrote:I can think of one ex-pro that might make a comeback if that's the case ;)


Is that because he can walk on water?

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Re: 2013 TdF Mountain Heavy?

Postby Richmond Racer » Wed Oct 10, 2012 13:34 pm

Pross wrote:I can think of one ex-pro that might make a comeback if that's the case ;)



Never mind that old fraud, the current pro for this is Richie Porte - swimmer, triathlete, before focusing on the bike - nickname 'The Fish' from his Saxo days.

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Re: 2013 TdF Mountain Heavy?

Postby andrew_s » Wed Oct 10, 2012 21:08 pm

Pross wrote:Is that correct about the causeway to Mont St Michel not being affected by the tide? I always thought it was from previous uses in the Tour and that this was the reason it could be so slippery.

It is correct.
It's got a regular tarmac road with adjacent long thin car park.

You are probably thinking of a mix of the Ile de Noirmoutier, just south of St Nazaire and St Michaels Mount in Cornwall. Both have a tidal causeway, and the Noirmoutier one has been the cause of a very crash prone stage.


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