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Postby frenchfighter » Wed Oct 10, 2012 13:35 pm

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Re: Cavendish has left..

Postby Insideinfo » Wed Oct 10, 2012 14:09 pm

Turfle wrote:Maybe OPQS are changing to an orange kit as an act of friendship to their neighbours.



Funny you saying that because that went through my mind when she mentioned it. My first though was obviously Rabobank. But then i thought hang on, maybe one of the teams is changing colour through new sponsoship, like Cannondale is potentially losing the green from losing Liquigas.

It was me that said Rabobank because the girl said, as i mentioned, 'i dont know the team name but know they have orange and white everywhere' so i just assumed Rabobank. But then it hit me it might be a team who is changing colours, afterall, it is end of season and new kit will be announced soon? so who knows.

she was just adamant on it not being what 'everyone believes' which i took to be OPQS.

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Postby prawny » Wed Oct 10, 2012 14:26 pm

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Postby Richmond Racer » Wed Oct 10, 2012 14:27 pm

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Well, the writing was on the wall...

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Re: Cavendish has left..

Postby Nick Fitt » Wed Oct 10, 2012 14:55 pm

Insideinfo wrote:
Turfle wrote:Maybe OPQS are changing to an orange kit as an act of friendship to their neighbours.



Funny you saying that because that went through my mind when she mentioned it. My first though was obviously Rabobank. But then i thought hang on, maybe one of the teams is changing colour through new sponsoship, like Cannondale is potentially losing the green from losing Liquigas.

It was me that said Rabobank because the girl said, as i mentioned, 'i dont know the team name but know they have orange and white everywhere' so i just assumed Rabobank. But then it hit me it might be a team who is changing colours, afterall, it is end of season and new kit will be announced soon? so who knows.

she was just adamant on it not being what 'everyone believes' which i took to be OPQS.


This is genius. It might just be possible amongst the confusion that is wasn't after all orange and white kit but red and yellow which when combined does of course make orange, easy mistake to make. In which case he will of course be announcing a 7 year contract with Cofidis. Obvious really.

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Re: Cavendish has left..

Postby skylla » Wed Oct 10, 2012 14:59 pm

Pross wrote:
TailWindHome wrote:So who does this contact work for, Rabobank or The Times?


The Times, but not just any old Times employee but a junior reporter so she will obviously have access to all the sources. Add in that The Times is a Murdoch paper and I'm convinced that this source is reliable.


Like I said before, this has been reported by the ST - some 6 weeks ago. It was just one line in a long piece about sky/wiggins I think. Still doesn't mean it's going to happen.

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Re: Cavendish has left..

Postby Nick Fitt » Wed Oct 10, 2012 15:06 pm

BMC, Cadel is blown so its Gilbert and Cav all the way ;-)

then again ... http://www.rabosport.com/news/item/24372

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Postby RickyMac » Wed Oct 10, 2012 20:22 pm

frenchfighter wrote:Image
you post an awful lot of photos FF. Are they yours? If not do you ever seek permission from the copyright holder?

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Postby Heavymental » Wed Oct 10, 2012 21:07 pm

RickyMac wrote:
frenchfighter wrote:Image
you post an awful lot of photos FF. Are they yours? If not do you ever seek permission from the copyright holder?


Do you need permission to post a picture on a forum!? That would be saddening.

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Postby Le Commentateur » Thu Oct 11, 2012 00:23 am

skylla wrote:
Pross wrote:
TailWindHome wrote:So who does this contact work for, Rabobank or The Times?


The Times, but not just any old Times employee but a junior reporter so she will obviously have access to all the sources. Add in that The Times is a Murdoch paper and I'm convinced that this source is reliable.


Like I said before, this has been reported by the ST - some 6 weeks ago. It was just one line in a long piece about sky/wiggins I think. Still doesn't mean it's going to happen.


Freire has just made a space available with his retirement and Cav's former lead-out man Renshaw is already at Rabobank.

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Re: Cavendish has left..

Postby frenchfighter » Thu Oct 11, 2012 06:18 am

Heavymental wrote:
RickyMac wrote:
frenchfighter wrote:Image
you post an awful lot of photos FF. Are they yours? If not do you ever seek permission from the copyright holder?


Do you need permission to post a picture on a forum!? That would be saddening.


Precisely. And if RMac could look clearly he could see the photo's authors name right there. Posting them also increases the awareness of the photographer who has already made them to the public in another place on the internet.
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Postby nweststeyn » Thu Oct 11, 2012 08:51 am

It's a point though Frenchie... you edit the photos right? - Thus giving a misleading picture of the original photographers work, especially when they have watermarked their name on it as above. I don't have a problem but one day somebody might!

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Postby mfin » Thu Oct 11, 2012 09:02 am

Just cos copyright is written on a photo doesn't mean that copyright isn't being infringed. That's a simple fact.

If a photographer/owner or a stock provider look, then they'd look for proof of permission to publish, and if its not there then well... you know...

If they've published them elsewhere themselves then this does not make it free of copyright in the slightest.

To think otherwise would be very schoolboy and wrong.
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Re: Cavendish has left..

Postby Simmotino » Thu Oct 11, 2012 09:09 am

frenchfighter wrote:Precisely. And if RMac could look clearly he could see the photo's authors name right there. Posting them also increases the awareness of the photographer who has already made them to the public in another place on the internet.


None of that is justification for copyright infringement (which is what you commit with every edited photograph you post that isn't your own).

Given the forum owners would be liable for such publication, I'm surprised you've been allowed to do it for so long.

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Postby frenchfighter » Thu Oct 11, 2012 09:16 am

nweststeyn wrote:It's a point though Frenchie... you edit the photos right? - Thus giving a misleading picture of the original photographers work, especially when they have watermarked their name on it as above. I don't have a problem but one day somebody might!


You shouldn't take things so seriously. At the end of the day, I post photos to further people's enjoyment of the sport. I am not saying they are mine or trying to sell them. What kind of benefit do I get from this that the photographers would be unhappy with...the answer is none. If you did a poll on this forum, I think you would find an overwhelming majority would prefer me to post.

As an fyi, I have done nothing for that photo above. The guy did his own edit.

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still not reading anything you write muffinman.
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Re: Cavendish has left..

Postby andyp » Thu Oct 11, 2012 09:18 am

Le Commentateur wrote:Freire has just made a space available with his retirement and Cav's former lead-out man Renshaw is already at Rabobank.


Freire was riding for Katusha in 2012, he left Rabobank at the end of last season.

Good try though. :wink:

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Postby LeicesterLad » Thu Oct 11, 2012 09:20 am

andyp wrote:
Le Commentateur wrote:Freire has just made a space available with his retirement and Cav's former lead-out man Renshaw is already at Rabobank.


Freire was riding for Katusha in 2012, he left Rabobank at the end of last season.

Good try though. :wink:


Barredo's passport troubles could create a space though. Anyway theres 28 riders on the roster, whats the limit?

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Re: Cavendish has left..

Postby mfin » Thu Oct 11, 2012 09:22 am

frenchfighter wrote:
nweststeyn wrote:It's a point though Frenchie... you edit the photos right? - Thus giving a misleading picture of the original photographers work, especially when they have watermarked their name on it as above. I don't have a problem but one day somebody might!


You shouldn't take things so seriously. At the end of the day, I post photos to further people's enjoyment of the sport. I am not saying they are mine or trying to sell them. What kind of benefit do I get from this that the photographers would be unhappy with...the answer is none. If you did a poll on this forum, I think you would find an overwhelming majort

As an fyi, I have done nothing for that photo above. The guy did his own edit.

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still not reading anything you write muffinman.


Again, name's not muffinman frenchflopper.

The point is - its not about 'benefit' its about copyright infringement, from your comments you don't understand that, but nevermind.
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Re: Cavendish has left..

Postby RickyMac » Thu Oct 11, 2012 09:56 am

frenchfighter wrote:
nweststeyn wrote:It's a point though Frenchie... you edit the photos right? - Thus giving a misleading picture of the original photographers work, especially when they have watermarked their name on it as above. I don't have a problem but one day somebody might!


You shouldn't take things so seriously. At the end of the day, I post photos to further people's enjoyment of the sport. I am not saying they are mine or trying to sell them. What kind of benefit do I get from this that the photographers would be unhappy with...the answer is none. If you did a poll on this forum, I think you would find an overwhelming majority would prefer me to post.

As an fyi, I have done nothing for that photo above. The guy did his own edit.

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still not reading anything you write muffinman.


I'm a pro photographer and my photos are taken on a daily basis without permission. It devalues them as customers do not want to pay for images that have been disseminated across the Internet. People who do this make it harder for people like me to make a living. To say that a majority of people will be happy for you to take photos and post them as a satisfactory reason is truly laughable. My images take time and money to create and yet you see fit to take others images whenever you like without asking permission. What gives you that right to do as you please? Can I take from you your work and hand it around freely as long as I don't make money from it? Would that be okay with you? The offer of free advertising is also a complete fallacy and is often given as a reason to freely take what is not yours. The choice is the copyright owners as to whether they want free advertising, not yours to make on their behalf.

Beware of taking photos from Getty as I have seen you do as Getty will sue and have done many times. If you upload photos to this site that you have taken from elsewhere then you have made this site liable to be sued for copyright theft and if it is a site with a lot of hits happening then Getty have been known to send very hefty invoices and will win as there is no defence in this case. Free advertising and people want me to do it and no defences at all and would be laughed out of court.

If you respect the photographers that take the images you like so much then your respect should extend to asking their permission and not making it harder for them to make a living. You might think that what you do has no impact but you are wrong, ask any pro photog how difficult the industry is becoming because of things like this. You owe it to the photogs whose images you take to educate yourself on the situation and not just decide you know best without finding out.

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Re: Cavendish has left..

Postby frenchfighter » Thu Oct 11, 2012 10:17 am

Thanks for the comments. If people are taking your photos, you can try and disable this functionality. (Flickr is the easiest example of this - most are open to copy, but some you cannot and it says' user has disabled downloading...' but you can do it on most websites I believe - ask the web developer). Got it, re Getty, am aware of it, and don't get photos from their site (I don't even think you can).

All the stuff I post comes from all over, personal users submitting photos for others enjoyment, blogs, cycling sites, tumblr, etc. I never take things direct from a photographer's website. If there is a photo with the photographer's name on it (like the Sky car above), it is taken from somewhere else (I cannot remember where I found the one above).

I can only say that I have zero personal gain from it and can only see that it would help a photographer to get exposure (assuming it is a photo from a professional photographer with a credit). All the photos here are of a low res and if people want . On occasion users would like hi-res of some photos and if I know I can direct them to the site where they can purchase them (so most photos posted with small res on sites like this are of little value as if someone likes something they are unlikely to buy a small photo, more like a large print to go on the wall). I am also in contact with a couple of photographers and have recommended and extolled the skills of some as well as providing sites etc.

A lot of photographers make some money by providing summary shots of the races to various websites - if you haven't already, maybe you could find some that don't have any already, and offer your services in that manner, in order to find an additional source of revenue.

As a pro photographer, can you link to your site so we can take a look?
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