I would love a new frame but it'll be a work in progress

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Re: I would love a new frame but it'll be a work in progress

Postby paulneenan76 » Fri Oct 05, 2012 11:31 am

The Beginner wrote:On-one now have
456Carbon at £499
Whippets at £249 for a 20" in yellow, £349 for 16in red/white, now or other sizes at end of this month, also undecalled.......


I have my heart set on an 18" 456 black matte with grey decals. I have the complete build sorted in my head now (black n gold like my wheelset). I'm undecided on forks though??
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Re: I would love a new frame but it'll be a work in progress

Postby felix.london » Sat Oct 06, 2012 11:27 am

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Re: I would love a new frame but it'll be a work in progress

Postby paulneenan76 » Sat Oct 06, 2012 16:51 pm

Rebas? Yes that's a consideration. SIDs look a bargain but overall, I'm thinking it would be handy having a bit more travel.

What about the dual position types? 120-150 jobs?
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Re: I would love a new frame but it'll be a work in progress

Postby paulneenan76 » Mon Oct 08, 2012 22:56 pm



So is it better to push budget for dual position forks? Or should I go halfway house and get say, 130mm, and hope that it does the up's as well as the downs? At what stage does travel become too much for going up-hill effectively? Ultimately, I want a fork that compliments the 456 carbon in terms of travel and weight but compliments me by being a very good all rounder, lasts without the need for continual maintenance, and doesn't cost the earth - most important.

All thoughts, suggestions and advice, gratefully received. Good 2nd hand very much a consideration.
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Re: I would love a new frame but it'll be a work in progress

Postby supersonic » Mon Oct 08, 2012 22:58 pm

If going for the 456, consider a dual position Revelation. This covers a lot of option on travel and usage.

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Postby paulneenan76 » Tue Oct 09, 2012 09:13 am

Thanks Supersonic. Revelations seem to be a popular choice but not seen many c456 builds with dual position. Is the coil version worth considering from a budget perspective?

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Re: I would love a new frame but it'll be a work in progress

Postby paulneenan76 » Tue Oct 09, 2012 09:44 am

I take it that's not a 1/4 kilo more than the same fork in air format?

So it's hunting down a black rock shox revelation, dual position, air, tapered, standard quick release, on a budget - not much to ask I suppose eh? :^)

Typically, where is the best place to buy it new?

I'll look here or fleabay for used.
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Re: I would love a new frame but it'll be a work in progress

Postby jairaj » Tue Oct 09, 2012 10:00 am

The dual position forks have a very linear feel to them. They tend to almost blow through the travel, they don't ramp up as you go through the travel like normal rock shock forks. Not saying its bad or good depends on your preference.

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Re: I would love a new frame but it'll be a work in progress

Postby The Rookie » Tue Oct 09, 2012 11:41 am

Bike-discount.de is worth a try....

Typically coil sprung forks will come out about 200-250g heavier than the equivalent air, not double checked the rev's specifically though....rockshox.com no longer list a coil Rev' anyway!

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Re: I would love a new frame but it'll be a work in progress

Postby paulneenan76 » Tue Oct 09, 2012 22:27 pm

Ok, had a good-ish scour of the net and the Revs dual position are very pricey/more than I will spend. And the reviews aren't particularly good.

I'm thinking that the 150mm revs air will be a good option. The fact I'm coming from an old budget coil fork, will hopefully mean i'll be blown away by how well they climb, and utterly gob smacked by the way they descend, that I won't think I should've got a fork with less travel. I mean, how bad can climbing be with 150mm forks?

It's a bit of a bugger for me to get my head around :^)
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Re: I would love a new frame but it'll be a work in progress

Postby Torres » Tue Oct 09, 2012 22:33 pm

Some Revs come in an "all travel"configuration; which means the travel can be adjusted through the addition/removal of internal spacers. So if you get them at 150mm and they don't seem suitable you should be able to get them lowered a bit.
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Re: I would love a new frame but it'll be a work in progress

Postby paulneenan76 » Tue Oct 09, 2012 22:58 pm

Torres wrote:Some Revs come in an "all travel"configuration; which means the travel can be adjusted through the addition/removal of internal spacers. So if you get them at 150mm and they don't seem suitable you should be able to get them lowered a bit.


Now that would be very handy way of checking travel suitability, not as quick as dual position but could offer a better ride at a definite better price I'm sure. So would this be denoted by ALT or RLT or some other abbreviation? How can I tell?
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Re: I would love a new frame but it'll be a work in progress

Postby supersonic » Tue Oct 09, 2012 23:00 pm

It will say All Travel in the description.

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Re: I would love a new frame but it'll be a work in progress

Postby paulneenan76 » Wed Oct 10, 2012 23:26 pm

Starting to firm up my list for the On One Carbon 456 frame swop build. Preference would be the matte black frame with grey decals, rockshox revelation 150mm with 9mm qr and ideally tapered steerer (2nd hand or cheapest retailer needed), tapered headset (unless I can't get tapered fork), 31.6mm seatpost (Twelfty) and 34.9 clamp. Everything else I have apart from the correct front dérailleur format. Not sue which pull etc?

Now im Just waiting for On One to drop the frame price down ASAP.

Anyone got any advice tips hints or did a 456 build recently and are willing to share? Anyone know when the frame price will droog again, ;^)
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Re: I would love a new frame but it'll be a work in progress

Postby The Rookie » Thu Oct 11, 2012 07:24 am

Onone's webby gives you all the front mech details of what they know will and won't fit.

I suggest you search the my mountian bikle forum from owners and drop them a PM!

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Re: I would love a new frame but it'll be a work in progress

Postby felix.london » Thu Oct 11, 2012 07:43 am

If that was my build I'd just get one of their frame bundles - C456, 150mm Revs, H/set & S/clamp
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Re: I would love a new frame but it'll be a work in progress

Postby paulneenan76 » Thu Oct 11, 2012 09:02 am

The Beginner wrote:Onone's webby gives you all the front mech details of what they know will and won't fit.

I suggest you search the my mountian bikle forum from owners and drop them a PM!


Will speak to On One on the derailleur among other things.

Good shout on the owners topic. I've had a good lurk but sending them a pm would be really useful.

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Re: I would love a new frame but it'll be a work in progress

Postby paulneenan76 » Thu Oct 11, 2012 09:22 am

felix.london wrote:If that was my build I'd just get one of their frame bundles - C456, 150mm Revs, H/set & S/clamp


Yep I agree that it does make sense, or at least easier, taking the frame bundle. However, once I've factored in another £100 for a couple of bits I need and the build cost my LBS would charge I'm looking at nearly a grand and not the budget build I have vowed to undertake. I know that £750 for that kit is still a bargain but I would be happy to buy used forks etc., to keep the price under control.

If there is a price drop from On One on the frame and frame bundle like they had recently, then I will definitely consider it as it would be so much easier. Here's hoping it comes soon :^)
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