Are the Tories being more divisive on purpose?

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Re: Are the Tories being more divisive on purpose?

Postby Cleat Eastwood » Sat Oct 13, 2012 11:53 am

fast as fupp wrote:i'd love to see you do a shift in a JC+

if you're as ignorant in real life as you are on here i imagine most of your day would be spent in a+e getting your jaw rewired - and complaining about the nurses aren't as qualified as you :D


Fixed that for you fupp - word of advice it's pointless arguing with tory arseholes like that. Have a look at CiB's post - comes across as a tory but always has a perspective on things that isnt pure daily mail cobblers.

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Re: Are the Tories being more divisive on purpose?

Postby finchy » Sat Oct 13, 2012 11:57 am

tow - do you realise how much the private sector depends on "parasitic" public sector workers?

How else do you get an educated workforce, with their health cared for, a transport system, health and safety legislation, customs, a legal system, nationwide communications, research and development (particularly all that expensive university research) and a million other things?

If your house is ever burning down, will you tell the fire brigade that they're parasite?

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Re: Are the Tories being more divisive on purpose?

Postby steve6690 » Sat Oct 13, 2012 15:14 pm

The tory vision for the future of public services is really simple to understand. They're pissed off because the rich don't make any money off it. Privatise it, drive down costs (sack people and pay the remainder less money), cream off the profit. G4S anyone ?
Some things shouldn't be only about the money..

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Re: Are the Tories being more divisive on purpose?

Postby tiredofwhiners » Sat Oct 13, 2012 16:01 pm

johnfinch wrote:tow - do you realise how much the private sector depends on "parasitic" public sector workers?

Of course - we pay for it. Some of its good, but a lot of its pretty dreadful, or do you think its all perfect ?

johnfinch wrote:How else do you get an educated workforce, with their health cared for, a transport system, health and safety legislation, customs, a legal system, nationwide communications, research and development (particularly all that expensive university research) and a million other things?


You mean a failing education system producing rubbish students, a second rate massively inefficient healthcare system, a collapsing Network rail infrastructure and failing border controls letting millions in who should not be in ? Yeah, its all so good, we're the envy of the world. Give me a German public sector, a French healthcare system and a US border control system over the lot we have here.

There is significantly more R&D done by the private sector than by government, university research is half funded by the private sector and every penny of the public sector funding comes from the private sector tax take. Increasing the cost base of the UK economy by paying the public sector workers more, will not create a single productive job nor will it rescue the economy. Only the private sector will achieve that and its somewhat difficult with the porr public sector we have these days.

johnfinch wrote:If your house is ever burning down, will you tell the fire brigade that they're parasite?


No, but when they go on strike to be allowed to retire at aged 52, on 60% salary, for the next 40 years, having only paid enough money to pay for 10 years, as taxpayer I think I have a right to ask them to pay more - a lot more, and if they refuse, call them parasites then. Please don't tell me its a dangerous job - more Highways Agency workers have died than firemen in the last 20 years.

Lots of folks here spending money they haven't got on people who haven't earned it. You've heard the adage about socialists running out of other folks money ? We've reached that point and your solialist dream just came to an end.

Its why the 80% of the working population who make up the the private sector in the UK fully support a pay freeze for the public sector for at least the next three yaers, and why 65% of the UK population fully agree with capping welfare at £26k maximum.

Time to pay what things are worth and to stop feeding the unproductive elements of the public sector.

People are pissed of with the public sector, not because they cannot make any money out of it, but because they are crap, staffed by people who are unable to do the job and they get paid far more than the productive in society. If all people were paid what they are actually worth, then most of the admin staff in the public sector would starve, doctors would get less, nurses a lot more and those in HMRC and councils would owe us all a lot of money.

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Re: Are the Tories being more divisive on purpose?

Postby MaxwellBygraves » Sat Oct 13, 2012 16:31 pm

For someone who's name is tiredofwhiners, you do an awful lot...ah never mind ;)
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Re: Are the Tories being more divisive on purpose?

Postby Peddle Up! » Sat Oct 13, 2012 16:51 pm

"Where do you imagine the money comes from?"

An excellent question and a good place to start. You'll be amazed where it leads you.

Not where you think. 8)
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Re: Are the Tories being more divisive on purpose?

Postby Frank the tank » Sat Oct 13, 2012 17:06 pm

If currently you work in the public sector, lose your job then get one in the private sector.

Do you instantly metamorphosise from a knuckle dragging, slavering,bone idle, leadswingging lump of sh1t into an all singing all dancing grafting superhero?

The best thing that can be done with the public sector in TOW's eyes would be to exterminate the idle b@st@rds. I suggest he start with tory polititians being as they're paid out of the public purse. And I know who I would sooner give my tax pound to Policeman v Andrew Mitchell tough one that, Fireman v David Cameron oooh another tough one, Nurse v Jeremy Hunt hmmmmm! such tough choices, just who should be burned at the stake first.

YOU DECIDE.
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Re: Are the Tories being more divisive on purpose?

Postby finchy » Sat Oct 13, 2012 17:42 pm

tiredofwhiners wrote:
johnfinch wrote:tow - do you realise how much the private sector depends on "parasitic" public sector workers?

Of course - we pay for it. Some of its good, but a lot of its pretty dreadful, or do you think its all perfect ?


No, I don't think it's all perfect. That doesn't mean that everyone working in it is a parasite.

tiredofwhiners wrote:
johnfinch wrote:How else do you get an educated workforce, with their health cared for, a transport system, health and safety legislation, customs, a legal system, nationwide communications, research and development (particularly all that expensive university research) and a million other things?


You mean a failing education system producing rubbish students, a second rate massively inefficient healthcare system, a collapsing Network rail infrastructure and failing border controls letting millions in who should not be in ? Yeah, its all so good, we're the envy of the world. Give me a German public sector, a French healthcare system and a US border control system over the lot we have here.

There is significantly more R&D done by the private sector than by government, university research is half funded by the private sector and every penny of the public sector funding comes from the private sector tax take. Increasing the cost base of the UK economy by paying the public sector workers more, will not create a single productive job nor will it rescue the economy. Only the private sector will achieve that and its somewhat difficult with the porr public sector we have these days.


Failing education system - that might be something to do with the pupils and parents. What are teachers expected to do when parents come from backgrounds which are actively anti-education, or just completely apathetic about it?
Collapsing rail infrastructure - agreed. Loads of money spunked away on the privatised rail companies, though. Re-nationalise them.
Millions who should not be in? And you think that's not something that goes on in the USA? Ever heard of a nationality called the Mexicans?
A lot of research would not be funded by the private sector because the results are uncertain.

tiredofwhiners wrote:
johnfinch wrote:If your house is ever burning down, will you tell the fire brigade that they're parasite?


No, but when they go on strike to be allowed to retire at aged 52, on 60% salary, for the next 40 years, having only paid enough money to pay for 10 years, as taxpayer I think I have a right to ask them to pay more - a lot more, and if they refuse, call them parasites then. Please don't tell me its a dangerous job - more Highways Agency workers have died than firemen in the last 20 years.

Lots of folks here spending money they haven't got on people who haven't earned it. You've heard the adage about socialists running out of other folks money ? We've reached that point and your solialist dream just came to an end.

Its why the 80% of the working population who make up the the private sector in the UK fully support a pay freeze for the public sector for at least the next three yaers, and why 65% of the UK population fully agree with capping welfare at £26k maximum.

Time to pay what things are worth and to stop feeding the unproductive elements of the public sector.

People are pissed of with the public sector, not because they cannot make any money out of it, but because they are crap, staffed by people who are unable to do the job and they get paid far more than the productive in society. If all people were paid what they are actually worth, then most of the admin staff in the public sector would starve, doctors would get less, nurses a lot more and those in HMRC and councils would owe us all a lot of money.
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You're speaking absolute crap. You're probably one of these types who think that admin workers make the rules. And yes, I have worked in administration in the public sector. There were a couple of bad workers in our department, but the vast majority of us did the best that we could, despite being constantly under-manned.
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Re: Are the Tories being more divisive on purpose?

Postby steve6690 » Sat Oct 13, 2012 17:59 pm

Paying someone a good wage to deliver a crap service is not the fault of the employee. The public sector "areas of business" in the UK have been destroyed by the interference of politicians who only want to make themselves look good. Failing schools ? - make the exams easier, in fact make it impossible to fail. That's just one example.
I'm sure anyone who works in any area of public sector employment can give you countless examples of figure fiddling.
I know I can..

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Re: Are the Tories being more divisive on purpose?

Postby finchy » Sat Oct 13, 2012 18:11 pm

steve6690 wrote:Paying someone a good wage to deliver a crap service is not the fault of the employee. The public sector "areas of business" in the UK have been destroyed by the interference of politicians who only want to make themselves look good. Failing schools ? - make the exams easier, in fact make it impossible to fail. That's just one example.
I'm sure anyone who works in any area of public sector employment can give you countless examples of figure fiddling.
I know I can..


steve6690 - when I used to work in school admissions, government/local council policy made it very, very difficult to do our best for parents - I remember a case in which we couldn't get one particular boy into a secondary school for 2 months, not through a lack of trying, but because we just didn't have the powers to get him into any of the schools in town.

Of course, we got the blame for something we couldn't change. :roll:


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