Amateur's doping.

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Amateur's doping.

Postby ridley2010 » Fri Oct 26, 2012 13:30 pm

Just heard the news a domestic rider has been banned for missing a test. I wonder how clean the uk crit scene is? I would hope pretty clean seeing as a few of the track lads are up there(clancy tennent burke)

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Re: Amateur's doping.

Postby Theomerchant » Fri Oct 26, 2012 13:54 pm

From what I've heard its very clean, there was one lad who rose the ranks to elite a bit 'too' quick and John Herety noticed and he was qucikly and swiftly banned from racing for doping. it's too close knit and everyone is at too simialr a level for any doping to go on, plus with good ol' uncle John on the look out no one would dare dope!

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Re: Amateur's doping.

Postby displacedaussie » Fri Oct 26, 2012 13:58 pm

The situation with Marcel Six is slightly more nuanced. From the Metaltek-Scott Facebook page:

Re – Marcel Six being banned by UK Anti Doping for failing to provide a urine sample after Canary Wharf, Tour Series.
We understand the decision of UKAD and that rules are rules and Marcel made a massive error of judgement in refusing a test on the night of Canary Wharf. When you are aware of the circumstances surrounding the matter, an urgent private family situation, coupled with the fact he was tested 12 hours later at home (by UKAD) which of course proved negative along with other negative tests at Lincoln and Stocton GP’s plus 2 further ‘out of competition’ tests, the headlines are somewhat harsh and mislead the reader to more serious wrong doing. In UKAD’s statement they quote Marcel was able to ‘demonstrate he was at no particular fault or negligent’. We have found Marcel to be nothing but professional this year and he wouldn’t wish to tarnish his name, cherished family and our Team. He of course accepts the outcome of UKAD and the consequences of his actions that evening.
As a Team we welcome everything UKAD is doing for the good of the sport and will continue to support them.

Andrew Swain - Manager


https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=442260539144662&id=279884642048920

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Re: Amateur's doping.

Postby Herbsman » Fri Oct 26, 2012 14:02 pm

I admit I dope
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Re: Amateur's doping.

Postby ridley2010 » Fri Oct 26, 2012 14:04 pm

Im not suggesting anyone was doping, more wondering. With the pro ranks being so full of it, it must filter down a little.

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Re: Amateur's doping.

Postby Trev The Rev » Fri Oct 26, 2012 14:17 pm

Doping will have filtered down into the amateur ranks to the same extent aero equipment, carbon frames,and any other new technology has.

They might not be as up to date or as organised, but how many amateurs are drug tested?

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Re: Amateur's doping.

Postby danowat » Fri Oct 26, 2012 14:33 pm

Trev The Rev wrote:Doping will have filtered down into the amateur ranks to the same extent aero equipment, carbon frames,and any other new technology has.

They might not be as up to date or as organised, but how many amateurs are drug tested?


UKAD test amateurs at time trials, a rider got caught at an event a year or so ago.

As for your first statement, utterly ridiculous, but don't let that stop you, it never has....

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Re: Amateur's doping.

Postby Trev The Rev » Fri Oct 26, 2012 14:38 pm

danowat wrote:
Trev The Rev wrote:Doping will have filtered down into the amateur ranks to the same extent aero equipment, carbon frames,and any other new technology has.

They might not be as up to date or as organised, but how many amateurs are drug tested?


UKAD test amateurs at time trials, a rider got caught at an event a year or so ago.

As for your first statement, utterly ridiculous, but don't let that stop you, it never has....


Sorry, do you really believe that the only thing that does not filter down from the pro scene to the amateur scene is doping? We know for a fact how ingrained doping was in pro cycling it is inconceivable the amateur ranks remained clean.

Amateur cyclists are very fast to take on new technology, training methods and 'supplements', sports drinks, gels, recovery shakes, etc etc, - no way some have not strayed to the dark side.

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Re: Amateur's doping.

Postby ridley2010 » Fri Oct 26, 2012 14:42 pm

Well theres the obvious health risks, it'd take quite alot for most to start putting blood bags in their freezers. Dont want to end up like Ricco.

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Re: Amateur's doping.

Postby danowat » Fri Oct 26, 2012 14:44 pm

Doping isn't "new technology", cyclists were doing it way back.

I don't think amateur cycling is 100% clean, however, I don't think its anywhere near as widespread as aero kit and carbon frames are :lol:

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Re: Amateur's doping.

Postby fish156 » Fri Oct 26, 2012 14:45 pm

ridley2010 wrote:Well theres the obvious health risks, it'd take quite alot for most to start putting blood bags in their freezers. Dont want to end up like Ricco.

That's one extreme end of the scale. I expect many wouldn't see much risk in popping the odd testosterone pill or using a patch.

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Postby Trev The Rev » Fri Oct 26, 2012 14:47 pm

ridley2010 wrote:Well theres the obvious health risks, it'd take quite alot for most to start putting blood bags in their freezers. Dont want to end up like Ricco.


Plenty of amateur cyclist caught doping. Doubt it is confined to America.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/28/sport ... .html?_r=0

http://303cycling.com/How-Wide-Spread-i ... ur-Cycling
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Re: Amateur's doping.

Postby ridley2010 » Fri Oct 26, 2012 14:53 pm

Hmm i'd still be a little worried. There's always rumors but I've always assumed they were that, just rumors. More jealousy of someone going better than you!

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Re: Amateur's doping.

Postby danowat » Fri Oct 26, 2012 14:55 pm

Trev The Rev wrote:
ridley2010 wrote:Well theres the obvious health risks, it'd take quite alot for most to start putting blood bags in their freezers. Dont want to end up like Ricco.


Plenty of amateur cyclist caught doping. Doubt it is confined to America.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/28/sport ... .html?_r=0

http://303cycling.com/How-Wide-Spread-i ... ur-Cycling


Trev's legendary googling skills on show again :lol:

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Re: Amateur's doping.

Postby DavidJB » Fri Oct 26, 2012 15:02 pm

Quite frankly you are one sad sob if you're doping in say a 2nd cat race. I can understand being a pro how you can get to a place where you dope (not that I condone it)...you're under pressure to perform and if you don't perform you get sacked and can't feed your family... amateurs race for fun and there is no financial pressures...you're just an utter scumbag if you cheat at this level.

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Re: Amateur's doping.

Postby ridley2010 » Fri Oct 26, 2012 15:08 pm

David, i agree completely with you there!

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Re: Amateur's doping.

Postby Herbsman » Fri Oct 26, 2012 15:20 pm

Woah woah it was only an espresso and I didn't even finish in the top 10
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Re: Amateur's doping.

Postby ChrisAOnABike » Fri Oct 26, 2012 15:27 pm

In time, there will be a variety of drugs available for arresting and possibly even reversing the effects of ageing.

As a moderately fit almost 50 year old that would quite like to live forever, or at least not to age as fast as I seem to be, or to recover quicker after injury, I wish they were available now.

I have no aspirations to race, so the ethical issues are for me a bit moot, but 'you don't look too bad for your age mate' will take on a whole new meaning in years to come.

Of course, if there were drugs available that could restore old gits like myself to youthfulness, I might want to race.

In time, the waters will get a lot muddier than anyone could imagine now.
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Re: Amateur's doping.

Postby sub55 » Fri Oct 26, 2012 17:37 pm

Never knowingly competed against or heard of anybody deliberately cheating in this manner in the domestic racing environment.
That said , i suspect theres an awful lot of riders , particularly in the lower categories who have unwittingly put themselves in a situation where they would fail a test.
Sure this isnt a means of cheating , more a reaction to the pressures of modern life and a lack of understanding as to what is or isnt permittable. If you look at the list of prohibited substances and methods and masking agents , the average person, me inclued quite simply hasn't got a clue.
So in my mind there is two problems here , first is deliberately cheating , which im sure is extremely rare and second is unintended consequence , which is probably more common than we would like to think.
But to me , they are not the same thing.
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Re: Amateur's doping.

Postby mattshrops » Fri Oct 26, 2012 19:12 pm

Herbsman wrote:Woah woah it was only an espresso and I didn't even finish in the top 10


You disgust me. :evil:
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