Doping in amateur cycling - BBC

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Re: Doping in amateur cycling - BBC

Postby TheEnglishman » Sun Oct 28, 2012 22:46 pm

Kirsteen wrote:....
We have been told a lot amateur cyclists in the past took drugs used to treat asthma a...


I'm sure there's some professional cyclists who take drugs to treat their asthma right now....

Oh good lord try researching a little bit first. Asthma drugs are not banned, per se, even the steroids used to treat asthma are ok now - they're not even on the banned list anymore. Look at the non-issues certain professional footballers have with regulating their asthma. Or cyclists or runners or... Try and google 'Therapeutic Use Exemptions' before making sweeping statements!

If you come across as not having done your homework you'll get eaten up and spat out - and not taken seriously......

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Re: Doping in amateur cycling - BBC

Postby sub55 » Sun Oct 28, 2012 23:00 pm

Rodrego Hernandez wrote:
LegendLust wrote:Well I cane the caffeine - Am I a doper?



Read the WADA banned list. Remember, taking something on the banned list is cheating, deliberate or not.


caffeine is not on the band list
constantly reavalueating the situation and altering the perceived parameters accordingly

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Re: Doping in amateur cycling - BBC

Postby blackhands » Mon Oct 29, 2012 07:59 am

TheEnglishman wrote:
Kirsteen wrote:....
We have been told a lot amateur cyclists in the past took drugs used to treat asthma a...


I'm sure there's some professional cyclists who take drugs to treat their asthma right now....

Oh good lord try researching a little bit first. Asthma drugs are not banned, per se, even the steroids used to treat asthma are ok now - they're not even on the banned list anymore. Look at the non-issues certain professional footballers have with regulating their asthma. Or cyclists or runners or... Try and google 'Therapeutic Use Exemptions' before making sweeping statements!

If you come across as not having done your homework you'll get eaten up and spat out - and not taken seriously......

Yours

An Asthma sufferer and (onetime) athlete


Dear Asthma sufferer and onetime athlete

If you read carefully what was said is that "in the past" asthma medications were used. Are you sure that "in the past" asthma medications were not on the banned list. I know for a fact that in the past top level amateur cyclists used TEUs to use such medication even though they didn't need it.

When TEUs were needed by all competitors I used an illegal substance (a masking agent) without a TEU and i know many people who used asthma medication without bothering with a TEU. (TEUs are now only required by riders on national lists and they will have been told of this).

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Re: Doping in amateur cycling - BBC

Postby SBezza » Mon Oct 29, 2012 08:51 am

Do amateur racers takes drugs, yes they do, and to think that all the amateurs are riding clean is having your head in the sand.It might not be for money, they might just want to try and win and have the adulation by doing so, Dan Staite was one of those in reality. It might not be drugs like EPO, but I bet there are some that use other recreational drugs and the like, or others like asthma inhalers (without a TUE), hell some people don't even know what a TUE is and they race supposedly following the WADA code. Some asthma drugs are banned full stop with or without a TUE, for example clenbuterol.

There is just not enough testing at amateur level to find out who is on banned substances, so the question can never fully be answered.

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Re: Doping in amateur cycling - BBC

Postby Rodrego Hernandez » Mon Oct 29, 2012 09:10 am

sub55 wrote:
Rodrego Hernandez wrote:
LegendLust wrote:Well I cane the caffeine - Am I a doper?



Read the WADA banned list. Remember, taking something on the banned list is cheating, deliberate or not.


caffeine is not on the band list



There you go, not on the banned list, not doping or cheating.

Not hard to check is it?

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Re: Doping in amateur cycling - BBC

Postby Pross » Mon Oct 29, 2012 09:50 am

I know of a couple of decent amateurs who got banned for using Ephedrine back in the 90s. They argued they were taken accidently in medication. I'm not sure how true this was but it appeared that they were getting targetted by the testers so I guess there were rumours going around.

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Re: Doping in amateur cycling - BBC

Postby Pross » Mon Oct 29, 2012 09:56 am

mattshrops wrote:What happened - did cycling get popular this year or something?

Jesus - professional journalists eh? What we all need to remember is TV journalists come from the same gene pool as the scum who produce our national newspapers.

As others have said DO SOME REAL JOURNALISM- Take a look at the sports that never test positive. Are you really naive enough to believe those sports are clean? Or just lazy? :roll:


Um, it's a researcher for a radio programme - do some proper reading ;)

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Re: Doping in amateur cycling - BBC

Postby Pross » Mon Oct 29, 2012 12:28 pm

Here's the list of athletes / sportspeople currently banned by UKAD http://www.ukad.org.uk/anti-doping-rule-violations/current-violations/ Looking at that there are some far better targets for an expose of drugs in sport. I would start with rugby of both codes, steroid and HGH use are rife at amateur level and I have serious concerns at the top of the game.

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Re: Doping in amateur cycling - BBC

Postby Herbsman » Mon Oct 29, 2012 16:01 pm

Wow. Out of all those athletes, only one cyclist. It's a bit sad that I'm surprised by that.
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Re: Doping in amateur cycling - BBC

Postby ozzzyosborn206 » Mon Oct 29, 2012 17:06 pm

there has been a few people in America who have tested positive at Sportives- admittedly they did have fairly big prizes but it goes to show people are willing to gain an upper hand anywhere, yes there probably is doping in amateur cycling as there is in many amateur sports, lots of people think of doping as blood transfusions and EPO because they are two of the most well known that big pros have been caught doing, but i am sure there are lots of less beneficial cheaper and less dangerous ways people may try to gain an advantage,

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Re: Doping in amateur cycling - BBC

Postby LegendLust » Mon Oct 29, 2012 18:24 pm

Rodrego Hernandez wrote:
sub55 wrote:
Rodrego Hernandez wrote:
LegendLust wrote:Well I cane the caffeine - Am I a doper?



Read the WADA banned list. Remember, taking something on the banned list is cheating, deliberate or not.


caffeine is not on the band list



There you go, not on the banned list, not doping or cheating.

Not hard to check is it?


It is if you are over a certain limit >12mg per litre of urine

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Re: Doping in amateur cycling - BBC

Postby Charlie Potatoes » Mon Oct 29, 2012 18:26 pm

Pross wrote:Here's the list of athletes / sportspeople currently banned by UKAD http://www.ukad.org.uk/anti-doping-rule-violations/current-violations/ Looking at that there are some far better targets for an expose of drugs in sport. I would start with rugby of both codes, steroid and HGH use are rife at amateur level and I have serious concerns at the top of the game.



Wow! there is even a Highland Games Doper :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

Sam Grammer you cheating tosser (caber) 8)
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Re: Doping in amateur cycling - BBC

Postby sub55 » Mon Oct 29, 2012 21:01 pm

LegendLust wrote:
Rodrego Hernandez wrote:
sub55 wrote:
Rodrego Hernandez wrote:
LegendLust wrote:Well I cane the caffeine - Am I a doper?



Read the WADA banned list. Remember, taking something on the banned list is cheating, deliberate or not.


caffeine is not on the band list



There you go, not on the banned list, not doping or cheating.

Not hard to check is it?


It is if you are over a certain limit >12mg per litre of urine


No that particular reg has long gone. Caffeine is currently listed as a substance they monitor . But there is no upper limit on concentrations within the body.
constantly reavalueating the situation and altering the perceived parameters accordingly

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Re: Doping in amateur cycling - BBC

Postby SBezza » Tue Oct 30, 2012 09:49 am

sub55 wrote:
LegendLust wrote:
Rodrego Hernandez wrote:
sub55 wrote:
Rodrego Hernandez wrote:
LegendLust wrote:Well I cane the caffeine - Am I a doper?



Read the WADA banned list. Remember, taking something on the banned list is cheating, deliberate or not.


caffeine is not on the band list



There you go, not on the banned list, not doping or cheating.

Not hard to check is it?


It is if you are over a certain limit >12mg per litre of urine


No that particular reg has long gone. Caffeine is currently listed as a substance they monitor . But there is no upper limit on concentrations within the body.


Totally correct, and I think there has also been talk of taking it off the monitor list as well. For anyone that competes in races I would suggest reading the current WADA code to see what is and what is not allowed. Also I doubt there is many if any off the counter medicines on sale in the UK that contain banned substances these days. Prescription medicines should be checked however.

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Re: Doping in amateur cycling - BBC

Postby cougie » Tue Oct 30, 2012 10:20 am

Rushmore wrote:I had a mate who took testosterone pills...

he threw his bike in a bush because he got angry with it... LOL


Is Bjarne your mate ?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DFzteK_y1b4


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