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Time trials

Postby Richmond Racer » Wed Nov 07, 2012 10:49 am

I know I'm probably in the minority here but I do loves me a TT...and especially a Tour winning one

Bradder's account of his TT ride to Chartres is pretty special, in my mind anyway - even more so as I was by the side of the road in Chartres 100m from the finish as he stormed by

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Re: Time trials

Postby ddraver » Wed Nov 07, 2012 11:32 am

Yep youre wrong - 2nd biggest borefest in cycling behind the TTT! ;)
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Re: Time trials

Postby Richmond Racer » Wed Nov 07, 2012 11:48 am

ddraver wrote:Yep youre wrong - 2nd biggest borefest in cycling behind the TTT! ;)



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Re: Time trials

Postby greasedscotsman » Wed Nov 07, 2012 11:51 am

Time trials are even more boring to watch from the roadside. Rider goes past, albeit very quickly and then a minute or two later, another goes by. After an hour or so of this, I have had enough. I'm struggling to think of an exciting TT I've seen from the side of the road. Maybe the Nantes TT in 2003, but then that was only because I watched right next to the big TV screen they put up at the finish.

I'm planning to go to the Tour next year, picking up the race at Ventoux and following it to Paris. Will not be going to the TT in Embrun.

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Re: Time trials

Postby Richmond Racer » Wed Nov 07, 2012 11:55 am

Well, I lke watching all types of races/stages - sprints, hilly, mountain and TT.

But being by the start house at Arc-et-Senans, and by the road of the finishing straights in Chartres and Hampton Court rank amongst my highlights as a spectator this year - standing within viewing distance of a big screen for the comparative time splits helped too...

I like the purity of a TT. Its just the rider out there on their own, no shelter from team mates, no slipstream, in a totally unnatural position on the bike, managing their pace to inch-like precision, such specific control..

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Re: Time trials

Postby greasedscotsman » Wed Nov 07, 2012 12:17 pm

Richmond Racer wrote:Well, I lke watching all types of races/stages - sprints, hilly, mountain and TT.

But being by the start house at Arc-et-Senans, and by the road of the finishing straights in Chartres and Hampton Court rank amongst my highlights as a spectator this year - standing within viewing distance of a big screen for the comparative time splits helped too...

I like the purity of a TT. Its just the rider out there on their own, no shelter from team mates, no slipstream, in a totally unnatural position on the bike, managing their pace to inch-like precision, such specific control..


Interesting that your highlights of the year are both races that Wiggins won. I wonder how much of an effect this has against you just being a fan of the TT?

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Re: Time trials

Postby Richmond Racer » Wed Nov 07, 2012 12:21 pm

greasedscotsman wrote:
Richmond Racer wrote:Well, I lke watching all types of races/stages - sprints, hilly, mountain and TT.

But being by the start house at Arc-et-Senans, and by the road of the finishing straights in Chartres and Hampton Court rank amongst my highlights as a spectator this year - standing within viewing distance of a big screen for the comparative time splits helped too...

I like the purity of a TT. Its just the rider out there on their own, no shelter from team mates, no slipstream, in a totally unnatural position on the bike, managing their pace to inch-like precision, such specific control..


Interesting that your highlights of the year are both races that Wiggins won. I wonder how much of an effect this has against you just being a fan of the TT?



Fair question: I''ve also enjoyed seeing prologues and TT's won by the likes of Millar and Cancellara, and Cuddles' Tour winning ride last year

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Re: Time trials

Postby greasedscotsman » Wed Nov 07, 2012 12:31 pm

Richmond Racer wrote:Fair question: I''ve also enjoyed seeing prologues and TT's won by the likes of Millar and Cancellara, and Cuddles' Tour winning ride last year


Maybe, I think it's always going to be the way, fans will always talk up the races where their favourite rider wins.

I was watching some bits of the 1987 Tour on You Tube the other day and they had a TT stage that was just over 50 miles. Wonder if fans would like to see something like that again?

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Re: Time trials

Postby Rick Chasey » Wed Nov 07, 2012 12:50 pm

IF they're gonig to waste a day with a TT, and sometimes they have to to make the race interesting elsewhere, might as well make it an epic one.

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Re: Time trials

Postby mr_poll » Wed Nov 07, 2012 13:04 pm

Richmond Racer wrote:I like the purity of a TT. Its just the rider out there on their own, no shelter from team mates, no slipstream, in a totally unnatural position on the bike, managing their pace to inch-like precision, such specific control..


This...

TT can be as exciting or unexciting as any stage if there is something to play for then they can be very exciting especially if a rider you like is at the sharp end. I really enjoyed Paris Nice this year when Westra challenged Wiggins and at one point was up and winning the overall.

Personally think organisers could do more to make it more of a spectacle such as getting GPS on all the bikes so we can constantly see who is where and how the standings are being affected - especially over the longer TT's when there are loads of guys out on the road.

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Re: Time trials

Postby esafosfina » Wed Nov 07, 2012 14:09 pm

Gotta agree with RR... although Prologues are a fave in the esa house-hold.

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Re: Time trials

Postby Turfle » Wed Nov 07, 2012 14:22 pm

TTs are fab.

The Wiggins vs Westra battle on Col d'Eze was proper exciting.

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Re: Time trials

Postby afx237vi » Wed Nov 07, 2012 14:31 pm

The only thing more boring than watching a TT is reading an article about Bradley Wiggins riding a TT.

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Re: Time trials

Postby greasedscotsman » Wed Nov 07, 2012 14:43 pm

Rick Chasey wrote:IF they're gonig to waste a day with a TT, and sometimes they have to to make the race interesting elsewhere, might as well make it an epic one.


Yeah, I'd like to see a really long TT tried again. Maybe not in the Tour though. And I'd also like to see it done on a regular road bike as well.

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Re: Time trials

Postby greasedscotsman » Wed Nov 07, 2012 14:46 pm

And how about a TTT where it's not taken on the 5th rider, just on each indivdual rider. So it's not necessary to wait for the 5th man. It oould be that you have 4 riders who are quicker. (Does that make sense? Probably not...)

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Re: Time trials

Postby Richmond Racer » Wed Nov 07, 2012 14:51 pm

greasedscotsman wrote:And how about a TTT where it's not taken on the 5th rider, just on each indivdual rider. So it's not necessary to wait for the 5th man. It oould be that you have 4 riders who are quicker. (Does that make sense? Probably not...)



*scratches head*

so basically adding up all of the individual times of the 4 fastest riders?

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Re: Time trials

Postby greasedscotsman » Wed Nov 07, 2012 15:00 pm

Richmond Racer wrote:*scratches head*

so basically adding up all of the individual times of the 4 fastest riders?


Hmm, no. Don't think I've explained it well. At the moment, in a race like the Tour, the time is taken on the 5th rider. If 4 riders finish ahead of the 5th, they are given the time of the 5th. Anyone who finishes behind them is given a separate time. So usually teams will wait for the 5th rider, if they are struggling to keep up.

But how about doing away with that, each rider is given a separate, different time for completing the stage. If they finish within a second of each other, they get the same time, like on a road stage.

In fact, it's like running a TTT stage with road race timings.

Hmm, I've got bored with that idea now I've had to try and explain it...

OK, how about a TTT on unicycles where they all have to dress as clowns?

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Re: Time trials

Postby Vino'sGhost » Wed Nov 07, 2012 15:20 pm

short twisty technical prologues are superb long itt snooze fest

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Re: Time trials

Postby Richmond Racer » Wed Nov 07, 2012 15:35 pm

greasedscotsman wrote:
Richmond Racer wrote:*scratches head*

so basically adding up all of the individual times of the 4 fastest riders?


Hmm, no. Don't think I've explained it well. At the moment, in a race like the Tour, the time is taken on the 5th rider. If 4 riders finish ahead of the 5th, they are given the time of the 5th. Anyone who finishes behind them is given a separate time. So usually teams will wait for the 5th rider, if they are struggling to keep up.

But how about doing away with that, each rider is given a separate, different time for completing the stage. If they finish within a second of each other, they get the same time, like on a road stage.

In fact, it's like running a TTT stage with road race timings.

Hmm, I've got bored with that idea now I've had to try and explain it...

OK, how about a TTT on unicycles where they all have to dress as clowns?



Quite like this

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Re: Time trials

Postby ddraver » Wed Nov 07, 2012 15:38 pm

I actually prefer Scotsmans suggesting for GT's, It means that you don't rule a contender out of the race in the first week becasuse the 8 other riders in the team are nt so good at TTing.

There would essentially be no stage winner though.
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