Canyon owners beware

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Re: Canyon owners beware

Postby Huckfinn » Tue Nov 06, 2012 16:10 pm

just out of interest how long did it stay on your Nerve?

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Re: Canyon owners beware

Postby Mad_Malx » Tue Nov 06, 2012 16:11 pm

compo wrote:And I don't subscribe to fancy cleaning products either so just use washing up liquid and water


Cheap car shampoo better I believe - I think washing up liquid usually contains salt, so maybe not great around the chainset or bolts.

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Re: Canyon owners beware

Postby Huckfinn » Tue Nov 06, 2012 17:14 pm

Car shampoo can contain quite aggressive degreasers aswell

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Re: Canyon owners beware

Postby mcnultycop » Tue Nov 06, 2012 20:02 pm

This thread should really be titled:

Canyon owners with anodised frames and downtube protectors who use Muc-Off to clean their bikes beware

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Re: Canyon owners beware

Postby JayKay3000 » Wed Nov 07, 2012 13:09 pm

Water, pure water and some degreaser + toothbrush for the chain or some of those cheap 30p blue household wipes for the frame.

Mine (not a canyon) often just gets a blast at a car jet wash as I'm going home and then a blow dry on the roof or trail jet wash and maybe a wipe over with a cloth at home and what damage has that done after 8 or so months? Nothing. Periodically I'll pull the wheels off and get into every nook and cranny.

Damage from this method? Bike still looks and feels nearly brand new.

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Re: Canyon owners beware

Postby cooldad » Wed Nov 07, 2012 14:09 pm

JayKay3000 wrote:Water, pure water and some degreaser + toothbrush for the chain or some of those cheap 30p blue household wipes for the frame.

Mine (not a canyon) often just gets a blast at a car jet wash as I'm going home and then a blow dry on the roof or trail jet wash and maybe a wipe over with a cloth at home and what damage has that done after 8 or so months? Nothing. Periodically I'll pull the wheels off and get into every nook and cranny.

Damage from this method? Bike still looks and feels nearly brand new.

Water getting forced into bearings - suspension, BB, headset etc. Bad idea.
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Re: Canyon owners beware

Postby njee20 » Wed Nov 07, 2012 14:17 pm

Muc-Off is horrible stuff. Buy new helitape, heat with hairdryer, replace. Stop using Muc-Off. Done.

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Re: Canyon owners beware

Postby compo » Wed Nov 07, 2012 14:26 pm

Huckfinn wrote:just out of interest how long did it stay on your Nerve?


It was starting to peel off after about a week. After a month I just pulled it off and went new.

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Re: Canyon owners beware

Postby ddraver » Wed Nov 07, 2012 15:34 pm

Do you really care about Scratches anyway? Sounds a little bit like putting a coat on a dog to me. All the other bikes on the trails must think your's is gay! :wink:
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Re: Canyon owners beware

Postby mikewoods » Wed Nov 07, 2012 16:47 pm

I used a jet wash on my trek a few times - thankfully the replacement bottom bracket a few months later wasn't too expensive as a lesson taught! My new spesh and my trek from then on has seen nothing but a soapy water and sponge and they look great!

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Re: Canyon owners beware

Postby poppit » Wed Nov 07, 2012 19:42 pm

Used a jet washer on low pressure for the last 10 yrs with no problems, just don't point it too closely at the sensitive areas, common sense really.
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Re: Canyon owners beware

Postby cooldad » Wed Nov 07, 2012 20:00 pm

poppit wrote:Used a jet washer on low pressure for the last 10 yrs with no problems, just don't point it too closely at the sensitive areas, common sense really.

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Re: Canyon owners beware

Postby pe60t0 » Thu Nov 29, 2012 10:56 am

I have a couple of questions regarding cleaning.

Firstly, I don't get the whole idea about Muc off. They say its safe on anodizing finish, but I have read numerous posts in forums, etc. where people say that it has damaged anodized frames, pedals, knobs, etc. Also, it seems to damage logos from tyres, rims and other "sensitive" paints on parts. Apparently, it also damages glue-applied parts. So how do they sell it ? And why do people buy it ? Is the secret in the amount of muc off that is applied, and the time it stays on the bike before it is risen off ?

Secondly, washing up liquid and car shampoo. From what I understand there is salt in washing up liquid which can damage steel-parts if it gets into contact with them. However, this is very unlikely because the amount of salt applied to the bike is so little anyway. Still however, it is possible for this to happen, as even if a small amount of salt can get into bearings and do damage. So I guess, with washing up liquid the idea is that you need to be careful so it does not get close to steel parts and rinse it thoroughly as well.

Then comes car-shampoo. From my understanding, it does not have the anodize-damaging properties of Muc off (and other bike-targeted cleaners), and it does not contain salt in it like washing up liquid ?

So to summarize: muc off and washing up liquid both work if extra care is taken. Car shampoo should work always, probably not as good as the other methods in terms of efficiency of cleaning.

Let me know if my understanding is right and please point me in the right direction. Basically, I am looking for something to clean my bike with, that is not going to damage it in any way and will perform good enough.

I am currently riding a Canyon Nerve AM, and for all the bikes I have got so far, I have never used any special cleaning products. Just pure water. However, I want to use something more efficient now.

PS: I am referring to general cleaning of the bike. Chain/drivetrain where grease stays is another topic.
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Re: Canyon owners beware

Postby chez_m356 » Thu Nov 29, 2012 11:55 am

pe60t0 wrote:I am currently riding a Canyon Nerve AM, and for all the bikes I have got so far, I have never used any special cleaning products. Just pure water. However, I want to use something more efficient now.

try it warm :wink:
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Re: Canyon owners beware

Postby pe60t0 » Thu Nov 29, 2012 13:08 pm

Can't really use hot water with a hose. Just hot water with a sponge doesn't feel right.

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Re: Canyon owners beware

Postby Shackster » Thu Nov 29, 2012 13:24 pm

I have always just used water from a garden hose (carefully) and a selection of brushes (and a muc-off chain cleaner with their degreaser). I doubt you'll find a cleaner/better maintained bike on the trails than mine!
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Re: Canyon owners beware

Postby njee20 » Thu Nov 29, 2012 14:31 pm

That's a bold claim!

I use Turtle Wax ZipWax, big bottle from Halfords lasts years, kinder than Muc-Off or WUL (which I tend to use on the chain/cassette).

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Re: Canyon owners beware

Postby pe60t0 » Thu Nov 29, 2012 14:34 pm

This should work fine, but isn't the Wax part dangerous for the brakes ? I guess it is, which makes the cleaning quite challenging as it is quite easy for the wax to go to the rotors/pads. So you have to be very careful for this not to happen. Am I reasoning correctly here ?

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Re: Canyon owners beware

Postby bennett_346 » Fri Nov 30, 2012 19:54 pm

Been using muc off and a garden hose for 3 years and really never had a problem with any paint or anodizing or brakes or anything.

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Re: Canyon owners beware

Postby Batmo » Fri Nov 30, 2012 22:52 pm

The salt contained in washing-up liquid or car shampoo won't be an issue if you rinse it off with plain water at the end. Personally I use the water from the garden butt in a watering can rather than the hose.

The best way to prevent the rust is to dry thoroughly afterwards. This is what old Y-fronts are for.


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