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UCI / Independent commission

Postby iainf72 » Wed Nov 07, 2012 11:39 am

The president of CAS will appoint a lawyer, accountant and sports administrator to look into what happened in the UCI during the Armstrong years

I'd make a bold prediction but no one will like it :P
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Re: UCI / Independent commission

Postby Richmond Racer » Wed Nov 07, 2012 11:41 am

Come on then,...

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Re: UCI / Independent commission

Postby nathancom » Wed Nov 07, 2012 11:53 am

you would think no one is stupid enough to put anything in writing that is incriminating but then people often are stupid enough.

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Re: UCI / Independent commission

Postby RichN95 » Wed Nov 07, 2012 12:08 pm

iainf72 wrote:I'd make a bold prediction but no one will like it :P

I might.
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Re: UCI / Independent commission

Postby TMR » Wed Nov 07, 2012 12:11 pm

iainf72 wrote:I'd make a bold prediction but no one will like it :P


That f*ck all will happen? They're all in it together aren't they?

Logic dictates that were a through, unbiased, investigation conducted then McQuaid should be going to jail if our suspicions are true.
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Re: UCI / Independent commission

Postby iainf72 » Wed Nov 07, 2012 12:43 pm

I think it will say Hein was bad, but Pat has made a couple of boo boos but there will be very little evidence of 'corruption'. Will probably say he'd in over his head

I would also expect some decisions will be called bad however they will probably have some context put around them which will help us understand why they happened. I also suspect we'll see something about the cost of policing the sport and how the finance vs legal vs do the right thing plays out.
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Re: UCI / Independent commission

Postby Crawlinguphills » Wed Nov 07, 2012 16:05 pm

Great, so an Independent commission comes back and says 'Yeah, you guys totally dropped the ball on this one' who's going to enforce it? They aren't going to find any criminal wrong doing, as that will be buried deep, deep, deep in the closet, so who's going to enforce the fact they have been cr@p and regime change? They cant legally force them out. Until governing bodies are answerable to, and investigated by governments, they will continue to do what the hell they want, when they want. Exhibit A? Fifa. Totally corrupt (allegedly) totally untouchable.

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Re: UCI / Independent commission

Postby sherer » Wed Nov 07, 2012 18:26 pm

as we know they all in league with each other and I wonder how truely independent this will be.

As said I suspect nothing will really happen except

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Re: UCI / Independent commission

Postby bipedal » Wed Nov 07, 2012 18:31 pm

Any word on what, if any, powers that the commission will have?

I should imagine Hein is deleting emails as we type and that the shredders are busy in Aigle tonight...

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Re: UCI / Independent commission

Postby Richmond Racer » Wed Nov 07, 2012 18:39 pm

To be fair I dont think CAS are in league with the UCI, any more than WADA is

But we'll see

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Re: UCI / Independent commission

Postby hommelbier » Wed Nov 07, 2012 20:23 pm

Swiss look to criminal law for sports' cheats
http://www.irishtimes.com/sports/other/2012/1107/1224326292703.html
The answer partly lies here but unfortunately don't really hold your breath waiting for the Swiss government to act.

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Re: UCI / Independent commission

Postby Richmond Racer » Thu Nov 08, 2012 16:13 pm

Richmond Racer wrote:To be fair I dont think CAS are in league with the UCI, any more than WADA is

But we'll see



Erm.... I might want to revise my initial optimistic post there - well, at least in relation to Coates..

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/pound-t ... -troubling

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Re: UCI / Independent commission

Postby RichN95 » Thu Nov 08, 2012 16:25 pm

Richmond Racer wrote:
Richmond Racer wrote:To be fair I dont think CAS are in league with the UCI, any more than WADA is

But we'll see



Erm.... I might want to revise my initial optimistic post there - well, at least in relation to Coates..

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/pound-t ... -troubling

Dick Pound would have criticised it regardless of who they picked - even if they had selected Dick Pound.
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Re: UCI / Independent commission

Postby LangerDan » Thu Nov 08, 2012 16:28 pm

Richmond Racer wrote:
Richmond Racer wrote:To be fair I dont think CAS are in league with the UCI, any more than WADA is

But we'll see



Erm.... I might want to revise my initial optimistic post there - well, at least in relation to Coates..

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/pound-t ... -troubling


If Hein's influence is that toxic, how come it apparently didn't affect Pound during the 5 or 6 years when he served alongside Verbruggen on the IOC?
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Re: UCI / Independent commission

Postby Richmond Racer » Thu Nov 08, 2012 16:31 pm

Ah yes...the history 'tween Pound and Hein...

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Re: UCI / Independent commission

Postby Richmond Racer » Fri Nov 09, 2012 12:26 pm

on the subject of Pound...old Dick wont enjoy this

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/uci-and ... ng-failure


the sight of various officials pointing the finger of blame at and across each other...not the most helpful thing...

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Re: UCI / Independent commission

Postby Abdoujaparov » Fri Nov 09, 2012 13:27 pm

Not saying that WADA should set up the commisson (it's more than doping), but CAS and Coates don't fill me with confidence at all. Those $70,000 donations sound pretty dodgy and we all know what a farce CAS is after the Contador case (refusing to hear evidence that would have dismantled the defence's "proof" that Clen didn't enter his body via a blood transfusion).

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Re: UCI / Independent commission

Postby Trev The Rev » Fri Nov 09, 2012 13:59 pm

If performance enhancing drugs are illegal we should get rid of all the drug testing shambles and encourage the police to catch these criminals. Nothing like an interview under caution and a night in the cells and the threat of a few years in jail to get some real evidence and confessions. Ask David Millar and look where the hard evidence against Armstrong came from - the Federal Investigators.

There is a very simple way to stop all the drugs in sport, 5 year prison terms for anyone who administers or supplies and 3 years jail for users. Drug taking in sport should be a criminal matter. If taking performance enhancing drugs is so petty it does not warrant the involvement of the police then we should stop worrying about it.

If it is not illegal then we should stop wasting our time with all the tests - I have been listening to all this guff for 40 odd years now and sport is still full of drug cheats. Footballers are on exactly the same drugs and using the same methods as cyclists and there is zilch talk about it, so why is cycling obsessed with it?

Criminalise it and lock up the offenders or accept it.

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Re: UCI / Independent commission

Postby Richmond Racer » Fri Nov 09, 2012 14:12 pm

Trev The Rev wrote:If performance enhancing drugs are illegal we should get rid of all the drug testing shambles and encourage the police to catch these criminals. Nothing like an interview under caution and a night in the cells and the threat of a few years in jail to get some real evidence and confessions. Ask David Millar and look where the hard evidence against Armstrong came from - the Federal Investigators.

There is a very simple way to stop all the drugs in sport, 5 year prison terms for anyone who administers or supplies and 3 years jail for users. Drug taking in sport should be a criminal matter. If taking performance enhancing drugs is so petty it does not warrant the involvement of the police then we should stop worrying about it.

If it is not illegal then we should stop wasting our time with all the tests - I have been listening to all this guff for 40 odd years now and sport is still full of drug cheats. Footballers are on exactly the same drugs and using the same methods as cyclists and there is zilch talk about it, so why is cycling obsessed with it?

Criminalise it and lock up the offenders or accept it.



PEDs are not 'illegal' i.e. criminal office to supply etc, in every country - in fact only a handful e.g. France.

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Re: UCI / Independent commission

Postby Trev The Rev » Fri Nov 09, 2012 14:21 pm

Richmond Racer wrote:
Trev The Rev wrote:If performance enhancing drugs are illegal we should get rid of all the drug testing shambles and encourage the police to catch these criminals. Nothing like an interview under caution and a night in the cells and the threat of a few years in jail to get some real evidence and confessions. Ask David Millar and look where the hard evidence against Armstrong came from - the Federal Investigators.

There is a very simple way to stop all the drugs in sport, 5 year prison terms for anyone who administers or supplies and 3 years jail for users. Drug taking in sport should be a criminal matter. If taking performance enhancing drugs is so petty it does not warrant the involvement of the police then we should stop worrying about it.

If it is not illegal then we should stop wasting our time with all the tests - I have been listening to all this guff for 40 odd years now and sport is still full of drug cheats. Footballers are on exactly the same drugs and using the same methods as cyclists and there is zilch talk about it, so why is cycling obsessed with it?

Criminalise it and lock up the offenders or accept it.



PEDs are not 'illegal' i.e. criminal office to supply etc, in every country - in fact only a handful e.g. France.


The French have the right idea then. I thought it was illegal to supply or obtain prescription drugs and assumed EPO was a prescription drug. Is EPO legal in the UK?


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