Is Subway a healthy option??

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Is Subway a healthy option??

Postby pinarellokid » Thu Nov 08, 2012 22:36 pm

hi all

trying to lose a little timber and been watching what i eat.

if i go to Subway and get a turkey salad butty from them and a side salad.. is this a healthy option

or are they stuffed full of unhealthy stuff??

been leaving the sauces off the sandwich and hope they are healthy
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Re: Is Subway a healthy option??

Postby Simon Masterson » Thu Nov 08, 2012 22:59 pm

I wouldn't say that it's 'healthy' as such, but you could do a great deal worse if it has to be bought out. That's assuming that you go for a 6", though! At least with Subway you can have some idea of what's going into it. Bread, particularly white, isn't the best way of getting your slow-release carbs, though; rice and pasta (preferably wholewheat/wholegrain) or even porridge, are better. You should be able to find a pasta salad at the supermarket but it will probably be covered in sauce.

If you want to lose weight though, cut down on the snacks and alcohol if you haven't, and try to reduce your calorie intake throughout the day. The old saying says that you should 'eat breakfast like a king, lunch like a prince and tea like a peasant', and I find that to be a good basic guideline. The more brutal method is carb depletion - eg. ride to work on no breakfast and last until lunch - but unfortunately this may not be great for your productivity! :lol:

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Re: Is Subway a healthy option??

Postby JSCL » Thu Nov 08, 2012 23:01 pm

It's health...ier is the argument. A 6inch ham with salad and no dressing is a healthy sub. But if you go having a foot long ham, salad and sauce dressing - you're racking in a good 650 calories. A footlong meatball is 800+ calories.

It's healthier to have a large nugget meal from maccas than some of the footlong subs. Just look at the kcals when you're ordering.
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Re: Is Subway a healthy option??

Postby pinarellokid » Thu Nov 08, 2012 23:09 pm

6 inch turkey on wheat is my usual choice. 260ish calories.. i did hear they are loaded with salt..

what are the healthy options to go for when out and about..??? is there a better place to eat??

i work night shift you see so its a little harder to follow the normal routine
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Re: Is Subway a healthy option??

Postby LegendLust » Thu Nov 08, 2012 23:23 pm

Simon Masterson wrote:I wouldn't say that it's 'healthy' as such, but you could do a great deal worse if it has to be bought out. That's assuming that you go for a 6", though! At least with Subway you can have some idea of what's going into it. Bread, particularly white, isn't the best way of getting your slow-release carbs, though; rice and pasta (preferably wholewheat/wholegrain) or even porridge, are better. You should be able to find a pasta salad at the supermarket but it will probably be covered in sauce.

If you want to lose weight though, cut down on the snacks and alcohol if you haven't, and try to reduce your calorie intake throughout the day. The old saying says that you should 'eat breakfast like a king, lunch like a prince and tea like a peasant', and I find that to be a good basic guideline. The more brutal method is carb depletion - eg. ride to work on no breakfast and last until lunch - but unfortunately this may not be great for your productivity! :lol:


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Re: Is Subway a healthy option??

Postby ChrisAOnABike » Thu Nov 08, 2012 23:44 pm

LegendLust wrote:
Simon Masterson wrote:The more brutal method is carb depletion - eg. ride to work on no breakfast and last until lunch - but unfortunately this may not be great for your productivity! :lol:

That advice is suicide

Why so?

It's what I've been doing recently. Not every day, but when the roads are dry. Small glass of fruit juice at 7am, then out for 18 miles, then back for shower and coffee, start work at 8.45.

I'm finding I start getting hungry about lunch time, and not so much so that I binge. Seems to be working so far - I'm losing weight gradually. I do work at home though. Not sure I could do this if I actually had to be out and about as well.
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Re: Is Subway a healthy option??

Postby giant man » Fri Nov 09, 2012 07:15 am

Stick to the low calorie with no sauce, and they're not too bad. Before I went on a healthy eating kick back in March and lost 2 stone, I was forever eating subs, they're lovely but you do have to watch the contents imo ...
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Re: Is Subway a healthy option??

Postby ben@31 » Fri Nov 09, 2012 07:34 am

A friend of mine had the theory "It doesn't matter what you eat, if you're that active you're burning the calories off again".

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Re: Is Subway a healthy option??

Postby verylonglegs » Fri Nov 09, 2012 07:52 am

ChrisAOnABike wrote:
LegendLust wrote:
Simon Masterson wrote:The more brutal method is carb depletion - eg. ride to work on no breakfast and last until lunch - but unfortunately this may not be great for your productivity! :lol:

That advice is suicide

Why so?

It's what I've been doing recently. Not every day, but when the roads are dry. Small glass of fruit juice at 7am, then out for 18 miles, then back for shower and coffee, start work at 8.45.

I'm finding I start getting hungry about lunch time, and not so much so that I binge. Seems to be working so far - I'm losing weight gradually. I do work at home though. Not sure I could do this if I actually had to be out and about as well.


I've seen this diet 'method' mentioned and discussed a fair few times on the forum now but my own take on it is that there is no general rule as far as food and weight go, we can all be very different. I can pretty much each what I want and won't put on weight, whether I'm exercising or not and as soon as I wake up in the mornings I need to eat or I'd pass out before I even get to work. Others however can survive til mid-day before eating with no real problems. Recognising and doing what is best for you personally is all that matters and it won't necessarily be the best thing for the next person.

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Re: Is Subway a healthy option??

Postby neeb » Fri Nov 09, 2012 08:31 am

verylonglegs wrote: I've seen this diet 'method' mentioned and discussed a fair few times on the forum now but my own take on it is that there is no general rule as far as food and weight go, we can all be very different.

+1
Simon Masterson wrote: The old saying says that you should 'eat breakfast like a king, lunch like a prince and tea like a peasant', and I find that to be a good basic guideline.

This certainly doesn't work for me, I just have (wholegrain) toast and coffee for breakfast but eat both lunch and especially dinner like a king, and I'm a skinny so-and-so. I do nearly all of my cycling in afternoons and evenings though - if I was cycling first thing in the morning I'd need a big breakfast.

Can't remember if any of the subway bread options are true wholemeal or not - I'd say that you could do a lot worse than have a 6" sub with chicken/turkey or the veggie pattie option, salad and no fatty dressing, IF there is a wholemeal option. But you could do better too of course.

Bread gets a bad rap undeservedly because it is so difficult to get really good bread in the UK, as well as because of the gluten thing which is way over-hyped by the health food industry. Only a small minority of people are genuinely gluten intolerant. You will get a lot more nutrition (vitamins & minerals as well as slow-release carbs) from a decent wedge of real wholemeal bread than from a bowl of white rice.

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Re: Is Subway a healthy option??

Postby Simon Masterson » Fri Nov 09, 2012 08:47 am

LegendLust wrote:
Simon Masterson wrote:I wouldn't say that it's 'healthy' as such, but you could do a great deal worse if it has to be bought out. That's assuming that you go for a 6", though! At least with Subway you can have some idea of what's going into it. Bread, particularly white, isn't the best way of getting your slow-release carbs, though; rice and pasta (preferably wholewheat/wholegrain) or even porridge, are better. You should be able to find a pasta salad at the supermarket but it will probably be covered in sauce.

If you want to lose weight though, cut down on the snacks and alcohol if you haven't, and try to reduce your calorie intake throughout the day. The old saying says that you should 'eat breakfast like a king, lunch like a prince and tea like a peasant', and I find that to be a good basic guideline. The more brutal method is carb depletion - eg. ride to work on no breakfast and last until lunch - but unfortunately this may not be great for your productivity! :lol:


That advice is suicide


A lot of professionals do it. Lizzie Armitstead is just one I've heard of to advocate such a method; she mentioned in an article somewhere that in order to lose 3kg before the racing season she would do the first hour of training without any sustenance, to the point of dizziness, and that she knows other pros that spend entire days eating only fruit.

I've done it myself; it's perfectly practicable. It just makes work a little less comfortable than perhaps it ought to be...!

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Re: Is Subway a healthy option??

Postby Peat » Fri Nov 09, 2012 08:49 am

ben@31 wrote:A friend of mine had the theory "It doesn't matter what you eat, if you're that active you're burning the calories off again".


It only works if 'eating what you like' is reasonably balanced. If you do loads of exercise and eat only deep fried meats and salty chips, you may get fit, but you won't be around to enjoy it.

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Re: Is Subway a healthy option??

Postby Joeblack » Fri Nov 09, 2012 08:51 am

verylonglegs wrote:
ChrisAOnABike wrote:
LegendLust wrote:
Simon Masterson wrote:The more brutal method is carb depletion - eg. ride to work on no breakfast and last until lunch - but unfortunately this may not be great for your productivity! :lol:

That advice is suicide

Why so?

It's what I've been doing recently. Not every day, but when the roads are dry. Small glass of fruit juice at 7am, then out for 18 miles, then back for shower and coffee, start work at 8.45.

I'm finding I start getting hungry about lunch time, and not so much so that I binge. Seems to be working so far - I'm losing weight gradually. I do work at home though. Not sure I could do this if I actually had to be out and about as well.


I've seen this diet 'method' mentioned and discussed a fair few times on the forum now but my own take on it is that there is no general rule as far as food and weight go, we can all be very different. I can pretty much each what I want and won't put on weight, whether I'm exercising or not and as soon as I wake up in the mornings I need to eat or I'd pass out before I even get to work. Others however can survive til mid-day before eating with no real problems. Recognising and doing what is best for you personally is all that matters and it won't necessarily be the best thing for the next person.



This...

Top nutrionalist's are heading back to the think from about 60 yrs ago (when obesity wasn't a problem) and saying that a lot of the government guidelines are just plain wrong.

Check out Martin Macdonald on facebook or google him he has a website, he champions the inclusion of butter over low fat spreads and full fat milk amongst other foods in a diet, he also states that salt shouldn't be a problem and sugar is ok as long as its after excersise to replenish the bodies naturally depleted stores.

He also debunks the myth that you need to eat breakfast and that those that don't are more likely to consume extra calories throughout the day.

In reference to the Turkey subway sand which question, yes that is fine as long as it makes up part of a balanced days food intake.
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Re: Is Subway a healthy option??

Postby Joeblack » Fri Nov 09, 2012 08:56 am

Simon Masterson wrote:
LegendLust wrote:
Simon Masterson wrote:I wouldn't say that it's 'healthy' as such, but you could do a great deal worse if it has to be bought out. That's assuming that you go for a 6", though! At least with Subway you can have some idea of what's going into it. Bread, particularly white, isn't the best way of getting your slow-release carbs, though; rice and pasta (preferably wholewheat/wholegrain) or even porridge, are better. You should be able to find a pasta salad at the supermarket but it will probably be covered in sauce.

If you want to lose weight though, cut down on the snacks and alcohol if you haven't, and try to reduce your calorie intake throughout the day. The old saying says that you should 'eat breakfast like a king, lunch like a prince and tea like a peasant', and I find that to be a good basic guideline. The more brutal method is carb depletion - eg. ride to work on no breakfast and last until lunch - but unfortunately this may not be great for your productivity! :lol:


That advice is suicide


A lot of professionals do it. Lizzie Armitstead is just one I've heard of to advocate such a method; she mentioned in an article somewhere that in order to lose 3kg before the racing season she would do the first hour of training without any sustenance, to the point of dizziness, and that she knows other pros that spend entire days eating only fruit.

I've done it myself; it's perfectly practicable. It just makes work a little less comfortable than perhaps it ought to be...!


This is complete tosh!!!!

There are such diets that include fasting but these athletes all work on advice from top nutrition experts and they would not give such poor advice, there is very little in fruit apart from carbs and these carbs come from sugar.

And don't bleed on about vitamins because there is more vit c and b in veg that in fruit
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Re: Is Subway a healthy option??

Postby Simon Masterson » Fri Nov 09, 2012 09:02 am

neeb wrote:
verylonglegs wrote: I've seen this diet 'method' mentioned and discussed a fair few times on the forum now but my own take on it is that there is no general rule as far as food and weight go, we can all be very different.

+1
Simon Masterson wrote: The old saying says that you should 'eat breakfast like a king, lunch like a prince and tea like a peasant', and I find that to be a good basic guideline.

This certainly doesn't work for me, I just have (wholegrain) toast and coffee for breakfast but eat both lunch and especially dinner like a king, and I'm a skinny so-and-so. I do nearly all of my cycling in afternoons and evenings though - if I was cycling first thing in the morning I'd need a big breakfast.

Can't remember if any of the subway bread options are true wholemeal or not - I'd say that you could do a lot worse than have a 6" sub with chicken/turkey or the veggie pattie option, salad and no fatty dressing, IF there is a wholemeal option. But you could do better too of course.

Bread gets a bad rap undeservedly because it is so difficult to get really good bread in the UK, as well as because of the gluten thing which is way over-hyped by the health food industry. Only a small minority of people are genuinely gluten intolerant. You will get a lot more nutrition (vitamins & minerals as well as slow-release carbs) from a decent wedge of real wholemeal bread than from a bowl of white rice.


That does explain a great deal... Ultimately if you're burning it off it doesn't matter, I guess. I think of the 'bicycle diet' as a lot of cycling followed by eating what you should be eating anyway, in larger quantities.

Though some people just don't seem to get fat. I am one of them (10 stone 8; 6'0 in height), though I'm heavier than I was even just three or four years ago or so, and a good few pounds heavier than I was after 5 months not being able to do much cycling. Nevertheless when I was a student I ate what I wanted, and looking back, was probably eating enough for four on a daily basis... Ludicrous dinner portions, fast food, tubs of Ben and Jerry's, loads of biscuits... I was still under 10 stone for most of that. Sadly these days it doesn't work like that!

You raise a good point about bread, though, and I've never heard anyone advocate white rice as a particularly nutritious food. I never buy it.

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Re: Is Subway a healthy option??

Postby Peat » Fri Nov 09, 2012 09:12 am

The easiest way to lose weight, imho, is to review your meal portion size.

Since moving away from the parental bosom, when i go home for a meal, i am shocked at the sheer quantity they plate up for me. They have always had weight issues and they 'have tried everything' etc etc. Ball-arks. My father is the worst culprit, he'll wolf it down and before its even reached his stomach he declares that he's still hungry so needs seconds.

Small portions and take your time when eating. Over time your stomach will shrink (de-stretch) to a more normal size.

I couldn't face a 3 course meal now. It's starter OR pudding. (I'll always choose pudding....uummmmmm)

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Re: Is Subway a healthy option??

Postby zx6man » Fri Nov 09, 2012 09:19 am

Yup portion size for sure, I cut out all the snacks then just lowered the carbs a little, and lost 5 stone that way. I didn't call it a diet either.

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Re: Is Subway a healthy option??

Postby Simon Masterson » Fri Nov 09, 2012 09:34 am

Peat wrote:The easiest way to lose weight, imho, is to review your meal portion size.

Since moving away from the parental bosom, when i go home for a meal, i am shocked at the sheer quantity they plate up for me. They have always had weight issues and they 'have tried everything' etc etc. Ball-arks. My father is the worst culprit, he'll wolf it down and before its even reached his stomach he declares that he's still hungry so needs seconds.

Small portions and take your time when eating. Over time your stomach will shrink (de-stretch) to a more normal size.

I couldn't face a 3 course meal now. It's starter OR pudding. (I'll always choose pudding....uummmmmm)


Very true. Very similar to the 'slightly healthier' crap that you can buy. That gateau (etc) might not be quite as bad as a 'regular' gateau, but it's still a gateau. If you want to lose weight, stop stuffing your face. The supermarkets are only in it for the money; they don't care that they aren't actually persuading people to change their guzzling ways, which is what will actually help them to lose weight.

The other culprit in my view is Starbucks. People don't think of it as 'fast food'. Everybody knows (though many try not to think about it) that McDonalds et al is awful stuff, but a Starbucks muffin and one of their enormous caramel lattes can be pushing 1000 calories, and some people not only have more besides but have that day in day out. Have a full English at Wetherspoons for breakfast, Starbucks for elevensies, Big Mac for lunch and some processed microwave junk for dinner, followed by a night drinking Fosters, washed down with a nice kebab...

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Re: Is Subway a healthy option??

Postby AchillesLeftKnee » Fri Nov 09, 2012 09:45 am

Well, my personal, totally gimmicky, "one weird old tip" for weight loss is...

Be sensible about what goes in, don't snack, and get some exercise. If the weight's not coming off, then either burn more calories or drop the intake. Don't do anything to radical or faddy because it won't be sustainable and, more importantly, it won't be enjoyable, and life's not supposed to be a torture chamber*.

Erm, and that's about it.


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Re: Is Subway a healthy option??

Postby LegendLust » Fri Nov 09, 2012 10:00 am

Simon Masterson wrote:
LegendLust wrote:
Simon Masterson wrote:I wouldn't say that it's 'healthy' as such, but you could do a great deal worse if it has to be bought out. That's assuming that you go for a 6", though! At least with Subway you can have some idea of what's going into it. Bread, particularly white, isn't the best way of getting your slow-release carbs, though; rice and pasta (preferably wholewheat/wholegrain) or even porridge, are better. You should be able to find a pasta salad at the supermarket but it will probably be covered in sauce.

If you want to lose weight though, cut down on the snacks and alcohol if you haven't, and try to reduce your calorie intake throughout the day. The old saying says that you should 'eat breakfast like a king, lunch like a prince and tea like a peasant', and I find that to be a good basic guideline. The more brutal method is carb depletion - eg. ride to work on no breakfast and last until lunch - but unfortunately this may not be great for your productivity! :lol:


That advice is suicide


A lot of professionals do it. Lizzie Armitstead is just one I've heard of to advocate such a method; she mentioned in an article somewhere that in order to lose 3kg before the racing season she would do the first hour of training without any sustenance, to the point of dizziness, and that she knows other pros that spend entire days eating only fruit.

I've done it myself; it's perfectly practicable. It just makes work a little less comfortable than perhaps it ought to be...!


I go out fasted for my morning training rides. HOWEVER I don't wait until lunchtime to eat anything. If you're training (I don't mean just riding to work) then after a hard session then you need to be getting nutrients, protein and some carbs into your system to aid recovery and help you get stronger. You get faster on a bike not through training but through the recovery from training.

I have my breakfast after my morning training ride and eat most of my day's carbs at this meal.

If you carried on riding fasted and not eating until lunch then you'd be in a right state by the end of the week and I bet illnesses would set in after many weeks of doing this.


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