Cervelo R5 v Cannondale Supersix evo v Custom Frame

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If you had £3000 to spend on a bike which option would you prefer?

Cervelo R5
34
41%
Cannondale Supersix
19
23%
Custom Frame
15
18%
None of the above - You can do better than the above!
13
16%
None of the above - You are wasting your money!
2
2%
 
Total votes: 83

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Cervelo R5 v Cannondale Supersix evo v Custom Frame

Postby letap73 » Sun Nov 11, 2012 21:54 pm

Just for fun really, a number of people on this forum have bought Cervelo R5 framesets recently, this forum seems to have more die-hard Cannondale fans than any other brand so I assume the Supersix Evo would be the dream frameset. Lastly, the Legend UK guy suggested that a custom and fully built up Legend was going to be available for less than £3000. Given that you have £3000 available the two factory produced framesets above and a custom built frame can be specced with similar quality components (therefore the difference essentially comes down to the frameset) - Which of the options would you choose and why?

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Postby Captainlip » Sun Nov 11, 2012 22:16 pm

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Re: Cervelo R5 v Cannondale Supersix evo v Custom Frame

Postby BikeSwan » Sun Nov 11, 2012 22:46 pm

As you can see in my signature . . . I am in no way biased 8)

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Re: Cervelo R5 v Cannondale Supersix evo v Custom Frame

Postby Fevmeister » Sun Nov 11, 2012 23:15 pm

Cervelo technically brilliant. Way better than any cannondale
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Postby Fevmeister » Sun Nov 11, 2012 23:31 pm

BikeSwan wrote:As you can see in my signature . . . I am in no way biased 8)


Me neither :lol:

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Re: Cervelo R5 v Cannondale Supersix evo v Custom Frame

Postby smidsy » Mon Nov 12, 2012 06:18 am

I voted Supersix and as you can see it is on my N+1 list.

However as you will also see I have a Basso Astra and I have to say it looks far better.
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Re: Cervelo R5 v Cannondale Supersix evo v Custom Frame

Postby saprkzz » Mon Nov 12, 2012 13:06 pm

I love the Cannondale, considered the Supersix Evo, but selected for the R5 and have no regrets.

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Re: Cervelo R5 v Cannondale Supersix evo v Custom Frame

Postby LegendLust » Mon Nov 12, 2012 13:40 pm

I can't believe people are comparing buying an 'off the peg suit' with the equivalent of a Savile Row suit.

OK the off the peg frames would no doubt be a good ride, but can they really compare with a frame that's been made to measure and custom hand built to the customers exact size and spec?

OK I'm biased as well but a Legend with Chorus 11spd for £3k it's a no brainer.

Plus add the cache of this premium brand and the fact that no bugger else will have one.

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Re: Cervelo R5 v Cannondale Supersix evo v Custom Frame

Postby NapoleonD » Mon Nov 12, 2012 14:01 pm

Legend a Premium brand? How can they be a 'premium brand' if they are unheard of...

Furthermore, I think that unless you are odd sizing full custom is not really required for most people, nice to have but not essential. Plus, depends on the framebuilder's experience. The custom sizing may actually not be the best 'fit' depending on how good the builder is at fitting someone to their bike. I keep seeing custom Enigmas with massive spacer stacks.

It's horses for courses. For 3k for a build I'd be going for canyon. I'm not biased, I have a Cervelo.

If going for a custom build it'd be a premium brand ;)
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Re: Cervelo R5 v Cannondale Supersix evo v Custom Frame

Postby LegendLust » Mon Nov 12, 2012 14:42 pm

NapoleonD wrote:Legend a Premium brand? How can they be a 'premium brand' if they are unheard of...

Furthermore, I think that unless you are odd sizing full custom is not really required for most people, nice to have but not essential. Plus, depends on the framebuilder's experience. The custom sizing may actually not be the best 'fit' depending on how good the builder is at fitting someone to their bike. I keep seeing custom Enigmas with massive spacer stacks.

It's horses for courses. For 3k for a build I'd be going for canyon. I'm not biased, I have a Cervelo.

If going for a custom build it'd be a premium brand ;)


I think you need to re-think your ideas of what a 'premium' brand is.

http://www.wikibranding.net/2008/04/wha ... emium.html

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Re: Cervelo R5 v Cannondale Supersix evo v Custom Frame

Postby NapoleonD » Mon Nov 12, 2012 14:59 pm

LegendLust wrote:
NapoleonD wrote:Legend a Premium brand? How can they be a 'premium brand' if they are unheard of...

Furthermore, I think that unless you are odd sizing full custom is not really required for most people, nice to have but not essential. Plus, depends on the framebuilder's experience. The custom sizing may actually not be the best 'fit' depending on how good the builder is at fitting someone to their bike. I keep seeing custom Enigmas with massive spacer stacks.

It's horses for courses. For 3k for a build I'd be going for canyon. I'm not biased, I have a Cervelo.

If going for a custom build it'd be a premium brand ;)


I think you need to re-think your ideas of what a 'premium' brand is.

http://www.wikibranding.net/2008/04/wha ... emium.html


No. I don't. My point being that Legend has no 'brand' in the UK as yet, thus cannot be a premium 'brand'. They may be excellent frames, they look great! But I wouldn't consider them a premium brand. As a consumer, it is the consumer that dictates what a premium brand is.
In my eyes, Titanium wise I would suggest Baum are about up there...
I'm not a believer in buying premium brands per se as I feel that a premium brand is one which I am prepared to pay 'over the odds' (or more than its tangible worth) to have...
Legend may well become a premium brand in my eyes (it is mine that count, to me) when I see some real world reports from UK users...

Having said that, I'd always be prepared to give something like Legend a punt if I had the cash.
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Re: Cervelo R5 v Cannondale Supersix evo v Custom Frame

Postby greasedscotsman » Mon Nov 12, 2012 15:09 pm

LegendLust wrote:OK I'm biased as well but a Legend with Chorus 11spd for £3k it's a no brainer.


Have you seen one yet?

LegendLust wrote:I'd love to see a Legend in the flesh


viewtopic.php?f=40013&t=12888002

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Re: Cervelo R5 v Cannondale Supersix evo v Custom Frame

Postby NapoleonD » Mon Nov 12, 2012 15:54 pm

greasedscotsman wrote:
LegendLust wrote:OK I'm biased as well but a Legend with Chorus 11spd for £3k it's a no brainer.


Have you seen one yet?

LegendLust wrote:I'd love to see a Legend in the flesh


viewtopic.php?f=40013&t=12888002


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Re: Cervelo R5 v Cannondale Supersix evo v Custom Frame

Postby letap73 » Mon Nov 12, 2012 16:37 pm

saprkzz wrote:I love the Cannondale, considered the Supersix Evo, but selected for the R5 and have no regrets.


So why select the Cervelo over the Cannondale - it appears you must have ridden both bikes before reaching your decision?

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Re: Cervelo R5 v Cannondale Supersix evo v Custom Frame

Postby saprkzz » Mon Nov 12, 2012 16:53 pm

letap73 wrote:
saprkzz wrote:I love the Cannondale, considered the Supersix Evo, but selected for the R5 and have no regrets.


So why select the Cervelo over the Cannondale - it appears you must have ridden both bikes before reaching your decision?


It took months to decide, as there was a few bikes that i really wanted and spending £££'s on a bike i needed to make sure i got it right,

My choice was the Orbea Orca, Cervelo R5, C'dale Supersix, Scott Foil Team and the Look 695 & Bianchi Oltre.

I spent ages looking on the net, reading reviews in mags, looking at pictures, and decided to buy the Cervelo S2. On visiting the shop and speaking with a pro cyclist, he spent an hour going over what I am looking for, how i ride routes & racing etc etc, and advised to go for the R5. I then got to to see the frame in the flesh, and fell in love with it. It definalty is more of a function over looks buy as the R5 is great on climbs and long distance. I can sit in the saddle for hours.
It is a bit plain to look at, it isnt bling like the Look or Orbea.

So really it was down to chatting with this pro in the shop and his recomendation.

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Re: Cervelo R5 v Cannondale Supersix evo v Custom Frame

Postby clincher3 » Mon Nov 12, 2012 16:57 pm

Honestly a Canyon!! The problem we have in UK market is the lack of knowledge how things are made, a Canyon is built in China for less than $300, stick some half decent grpset and recognizable wheels[ie Mavic] and tag it at £3000, thats more than 70% margins [ explains why they offer a life time warranty].
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Postby greasedscotsman » Mon Nov 12, 2012 17:08 pm

clincher3 wrote:the bike is handmade


I thought all carbon bikes were hand made?

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Re: Cervelo R5 v Cannondale Supersix evo v Custom Frame

Postby LegendLust » Mon Nov 12, 2012 17:11 pm

greasedscotsman wrote:
LegendLust wrote:OK I'm biased as well but a Legend with Chorus 11spd for £3k it's a no brainer.


Have you seen one yet?

LegendLust wrote:I'd love to see a Legend in the flesh


viewtopic.php?f=40013&t=12888002


No I still haven't seen one yet. But as an owner of a handbuilt made to measure Viner Maxima, built by Marco who owns Legend, then I can vouch for their rode qualities, handling and build quality. From what I hear the Legend finishes are even better than my Viner so that's why I can't wait to see one.

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Re: Cervelo R5 v Cannondale Supersix evo v Custom Frame

Postby letap73 » Mon Nov 12, 2012 17:12 pm

saprkzz wrote:
letap73 wrote:
saprkzz wrote:I love the Cannondale, considered the Supersix Evo, but selected for the R5 and have no regrets.


So why select the Cervelo over the Cannondale - it appears you must have ridden both bikes before reaching your decision?


It took months to decide, as there was a few bikes that i really wanted and spending £££'s on a bike i needed to make sure i got it right,

My choice was the Orbea Orca, Cervelo R5, C'dale Supersix, Scott Foil Team and the Look 695 & Bianchi Oltre.

I spent ages looking on the net, reading reviews in mags, looking at pictures, and decided to buy the Cervelo S2. On visiting the shop and speaking with a pro cyclist, he spent an hour going over what I am looking for, how i ride routes & racing etc etc, and advised to go for the R5. I then got to to see the frame in the flesh, and fell in love with it. It definalty is more of a function over looks buy as the R5 is great on climbs and long distance. I can sit in the saddle for hours.
It is a bit plain to look at, it isnt bling like the Look or Orbea.

So really it was down to chatting with this pro in the shop and his recomendation.


Interesting - I went into a bike shop - which was selling a built up Cervelo R5, Cervelo S5 and a Cannondale Supersix EVO, the sales person recommended the R5 over the S5 as it was more suited to normal riding over undulating terrain, he said that the EVO was much stiffer and had sharper handling but the ride was more harsh - in his opinion the Cervelo was more suited to normal riding.

With regards to Legend, I have read that some of the pros actually ride bikes made by Legend (Marco Bartoletti) however, these custom bikes are decorated in team livery and made to look similar to the other team bikes.

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Re: Cervelo R5 v Cannondale Supersix evo v Custom Frame

Postby letap73 » Mon Nov 12, 2012 17:18 pm

clincher3 wrote:
NapoleonD wrote:Legend a Premium brand? How can they be a 'premium brand' if they are unheard of...

Furthermore, I think that unless you are odd sizing full custom is not really required for most people, nice to have but not essential. Plus, depends on the framebuilder's experience. The custom sizing may actually not be the best 'fit' depending on how good the builder is at fitting someone to their bike. I keep seeing custom Enigmas with massive spacer stacks.

It's horses for courses. For 3k for a build I'd be going for canyon. I'm not biased, I have a Cervelo.

If going for a custom build it'd be a premium brand ;)


Honestly a Canyon!! are you serious! The problem we have in UK market is the lack of knowledge how things are made, a Canyon is frame built in China for less than $300, stuck some half decent grpset and recognizable wheels[ie Mavic] and tag it at £3000, thats more than 70% margins [ explains why you get a life time warranty with it, if it breaks here a new one, Freddy is happy]. also his mate Johnny has one so should he!!

Whilst a Legend [ Luckily enough to own a HT9.5] is custom made, the tubes are made in italy to the higest level, the angles and measures of the frame is made for me, though I am not out of the norm geometry it makes my pedaling almost perfect. the bike is handmade, you know what you can book yourself in and see the factory by yourself.

I suppose each for his own, as I always said, its easier to fool people than proving they have been fooled.
Wake up lads, you buying into marketing companies a product with no Soul .

I would buy a custom frame every time, and yes Legend is a niche brand, you got to see and ride it, promise you wont go back.


Have you ridden a canyon, cervelo or cannondale evo? They all receive rave reviews from the informed as well as the uninformed and put in quite a lot into R&D.


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