"Hardcore" hardtails

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"Hardcore" hardtails

Postby milko9000 » Mon Nov 12, 2012 15:12 pm

I've been thinking n+1 again. Something a bit easier to maintain than my full-sus, and a bit less overkill for those Swinley trips and whatnot. But mainly n+1, let's be honest.

So yeah, I've got a fairly beefily built-up Yeti SB-66, which I like a lot. 160mm Fox 36 forks on there, and burly wheels too. What I want is something lighter than that, but not some XC race machine with steep head angles and all that - I still want to plummet down steep descents and get airborne here and there. I've been thinking along the lines of some 140mm forks on a Cotic Bfe, or an On-one C456, or a Ragley Bluepig. Or maybe even something made out of titanium! That still makes me think of superheroes, and someone's got a titanium piglet frame on ebay at the moment. Or track down a stanton slackline!

I've got a lot more ideas than I have knowledge about what'd actually be good, is what. Help?

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Re: "Hardcore" hardtails

Postby RockmonkeySC » Mon Nov 12, 2012 15:42 pm

Cotic BFe is the future if you want a hardcore hardtail. Awesome fun bike

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Re: "Hardcore" hardtails

Postby lostboysaint » Mon Nov 12, 2012 15:44 pm

Cotic BFe & Transition Trans Am are the two I'm looking at replacing my Inbred with.
Trail fun - Transition Bandit
Road - Wilier Izoard Centaur
Allround - Cotic Solaris

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Re: "Hardcore" hardtails

Postby ilovedirt » Mon Nov 12, 2012 17:37 pm

I'm loving my Ragley Bagger, I'd quite like a Bluepig as well, reckon that would be sweet for all day riding.
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Re: "Hardcore" hardtails

Postby supersonic » Mon Nov 12, 2012 17:40 pm

I tested a titanium Ragley Piglet for WMB - nice bike, but the cost cannot be justified when compared to the lighter carbon C456.

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Re: "Hardcore" hardtails

Postby milko9000 » Mon Nov 12, 2012 18:29 pm

Even if the cost was about half RRP, supersonic? I wouldn't be interested at full whack, no.

Hmm, I forgot about the Trans Am, did read about it and I think ended up not shortlisting it for finicky reasons, it looks nice. http://www.bikeradar.com/gear/category/ ... y-10-35339

I think in my heart, or gut, or ars*, something like that anyway, I've got it down more or less to Bluepig v Bfe. I actually mainly don't like the C456 for aesthetic reasons so could potentially be persuaded back to that I guess.

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Re: "Hardcore" hardtails

Postby RockmonkeySC » Mon Nov 12, 2012 18:47 pm

The bluepig is a pretty harsh ride, almost as bad as my On-One 456SS (I wouldn't recommend an On-One, crap quality finishing). The BFe is a much more comfortable frame and very strong.

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Re: "Hardcore" hardtails

Postby supersonic » Mon Nov 12, 2012 18:53 pm

milko9000 wrote:Even if the cost was about half RRP, supersonic? I wouldn't be interested at full whack, no.

Hmm, I forgot about the Trans Am, did read about it and I think ended up not shortlisting it for finicky reasons, it looks nice. http://www.bikeradar.com/gear/category/ ... y-10-35339

I think in my heart, or gut, or ars*, something like that anyway, I've got it down more or less to Bluepig v Bfe. I actually mainly don't like the C456 for aesthetic reasons so could potentially be persuaded back to that I guess.


Without a warranty I wouldn't be too happy with one. Not saying it will break lol, but the 456 is such good value for what it is, and as you can see in these forums, has dozens of owners and fans.

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Re: "Hardcore" hardtails

Postby ADL » Mon Nov 12, 2012 19:16 pm

Evil Sovereign?

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Re: "Hardcore" hardtails

Postby lawman » Mon Nov 12, 2012 20:05 pm

Loving my carbon 456, it rides really nice, its very light and its pretty comfy. Its not the best looking bike around, but it was cheap so it swayed me over the slackline, which lacks a reverb sized seat tube and tapered headtube, which did put me off it slightly.

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Re: "Hardcore" hardtails

Postby ilovedirt » Mon Nov 12, 2012 20:08 pm

I'd probably have the Cotic BFe if it was me, only reason I didn't get one is because I found the Bagger for a lot cheaper.
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Re: "Hardcore" hardtails

Postby Mark909 » Mon Nov 12, 2012 20:14 pm

Have a look through here. 153 pages of hardtail masturbatory material.

http://forums.mtbr.com/all-mountain/all-mountain-hardtail-thread-post-up-yours-279265.html

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Re: "Hardcore" hardtails

Postby RockmonkeySC » Mon Nov 12, 2012 20:21 pm

Mark909 wrote:Have a look through here. 153 pages of hardtail masturbatory material.

http://forums.mtbr.com/all-mountain/all-mountain-hardtail-thread-post-up-yours-279265.html


Some very nice hardtails in between the tat. An awful lot of them seem to be running Rockshox Pikes, not sure why they are so popular.

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Re: "Hardcore" hardtails

Postby The Northern Monkey » Mon Nov 12, 2012 20:42 pm

RockmonkeySC wrote:
Mark909 wrote:Have a look through here. 153 pages of hardtail masturbatory material.

http://forums.mtbr.com/all-mountain/all-mountain-hardtail-thread-post-up-yours-279265.html


Some very nice hardtails in between the tat. An awful lot of them seem to be running Rockshox Pikes, not sure why they are so popular.


Because they are/were brilliant forks and are hard to beat? probably.

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Re: "Hardcore" hardtails

Postby ilovedirt » Mon Nov 12, 2012 20:56 pm

RockmonkeySC wrote:
Mark909 wrote:Have a look through here. 153 pages of hardtail masturbatory material.

http://forums.mtbr.com/all-mountain/all-mountain-hardtail-thread-post-up-yours-279265.html


Some very nice hardtails in between the tat. An awful lot of them seem to be running Rockshox Pikes, not sure why they are so popular.

Because they were really good forks until they eventually became a bit on the heavy side compared to the competition? Sektors and Revs are pretty much based on pikes just with a different chassis and a little more travel...
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Re: "Hardcore" hardtails

Postby supersonic » Mon Nov 12, 2012 20:59 pm

Pikes had thicker upper tubes, steerer and reinforced sliders - maybe the new Rev chassis is as strong/stiff now, but I doubt it.

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Re: "Hardcore" hardtails

Postby milko9000 » Mon Nov 12, 2012 21:57 pm

BFe in medium out of stock til at least January, which gives me unwelcome memories of trying to get my damn SB-66 frame this time last year! (and a few months before this time, and one after). I'm happy (possibly prefer in fact) to go second hand on this one but nothing much around right now. Tsk. That was winning but now I have to hope one comes up before the impulse fades.

Stanton Slackline still tempting. Bit heavy for the price maybe?

Evil Sovereign - does anyone actually sell these? Looks a bit eye-watering on the price too tbh. But also fun!

Surprised there's not more of you in favour of the Bluepig, I thought the reviews were all quite glowing on that one.

Gonna ponder that C456 a while. VFM it's an apparent clear winner.

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Re: "Hardcore" hardtails

Postby supersonic » Mon Nov 12, 2012 22:02 pm

Weight wise it is a clear winner too - 3.5lbs!

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Re: "Hardcore" hardtails

Postby lawman » Mon Nov 12, 2012 23:02 pm

supersonic wrote:Weight wise it is a clear winner too - 3.5lbs!


Yep, fully built with 140mm revs mines a smidge under 24lbs, its almost too light :lol:

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Re: "Hardcore" hardtails

Postby milko9000 » Mon Nov 12, 2012 23:14 pm

haha. nngh. Just seen a medium Bfe on singletrack classifieds too.

Right, thanks lots for the help everyone. I will search my heart, soul, ass,etc.


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