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Re: The official TrainerRoad thread

Postby jezzpalmer » Tue Nov 13, 2012 18:06 pm

mattshrops wrote:Still had some tiredness in the legs from sunday -not surprising with a TSS of 407.


Quite, the missus and myself did the Dragon Ride Medio route on Sunday (TSS of 563 apparently) and it's buggered up my trainerroading schedule.
Though I hope to do Guyat later this eve though.

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Re: The official TrainerRoad thread

Postby dw300 » Tue Nov 13, 2012 23:24 pm

Another Eichorn. A slightly tweaked version.

Feel like I might be able to maintain, or at worst only loose a slight bit of form on 2 hours a week with the odd harder week thrown in. I'm talking power output for rides of about an hour. I dare say my long ride endurance is suffering, but I'm not too fussed about that at this stage of the year.

I can feel the motivation ebbing away with not having a ride to try and peak for. Someone work out how we can have some sort of TR competition and have it be a level playing field ..
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Re: The official TrainerRoad thread

Postby JGSI » Wed Nov 14, 2012 07:09 am

Motivation is the issue this time of year, coupled with the general hatefulness of November month but using Golden Cheetah, fitness is still on upward trend.
To make all the training hours significant:
entry for a local Xmas '10' - (weather permitting)
keeping an eye open for a new race build for next season - a Canyon with di2 is flavour at the moment.
awaiting the race calendars
renewing race licences

lots of things you can do until the year turns and things get underway again...
oh January is the time when the reliabilities start ....

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Re: The official TrainerRoad thread

Postby shazzz » Wed Nov 14, 2012 09:16 am

Hi
For anyone interested, I did an accidental VP vs measured power comparison last night. Just received my powertap back from a service and fitted to the bike, but forgot to switch trainerroad back from VP to actual power meter reading. I had removed the GSC10 from my bike, so the cadence / speed used must have been as reported by the PT. Turbo is a KK Rock n Roll with the extra flywheel, workout was Thunder. Here are the results:

Interval, Time (mins), VP, AP, Difference

1, 3, 214, 225, -11
2, 4, 216, 221, -5
3, 4, 236, 235, 1
4, 4, 229, 220, 9
5, 4, 241, 236, 5
6, 4, 234, 229, 5
7, 4, 240, 235, 5
8, 4, 234, 230, 4
9, 4, 247, 246, 1

So, pretty close! Esp as I hadn't taken any steps to try to get it dialled in - although I'm not sure what I would have done differently. It was interesting that the VP actually under-reported at the start. I had expected the opposite.

PS - on motivation, I am finding the combination of TR, following a defined plan, and tracking progress through WKO is hugely motivating even though I don't have any targets until May.

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Re: The official TrainerRoad thread

Postby Trev The Rev » Wed Nov 14, 2012 09:43 am

Too much PMRB caused by EDRI.

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Re: The official TrainerRoad thread

Postby Garryboy » Wed Nov 14, 2012 12:16 pm

Did an extra session this morning (nearly completed base I) - sufferfest 'Hunted' - set intensity to 90%

http://www.trainerroad.com/cycling/rides/104358

Wanted this to be more of a sweet spot ride, hence setting intensity to 90% - what does everyone else do when using sufferfest vids & TR?

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Re: The official TrainerRoad thread

Postby MarkP80 » Wed Nov 14, 2012 12:35 pm

dw300 wrote:I can feel the motivation ebbing away with not having a ride to try and peak for. Someone work out how we can have some sort of TR competition and have it be a level playing field ..

- Have you considered following one of the plans? I find that helps me stay motivated.
Can't work out how to do a competition. We need distance along the bottom of a workout rather than time, with progress then governed by speed. I suspect that would be tricky to implement though, and kind of changes the program from TrainerRoad to RacingRoad!

shazzz wrote:Hi
For anyone interested, I did an accidental VP vs measured power comparison last night.
Turbo is a KK Rock n Roll with the extra flywheel, workout was Thunder. Here are the results:

Interval, Time (mins), VP, AP, Difference

1, 3, 214, 225, -11
2, 4, 216, 221, -5
3, 4, 236, 235, 1
4, 4, 229, 220, 9
5, 4, 241, 236, 5
6, 4, 234, 229, 5
7, 4, 240, 235, 5
8, 4, 234, 230, 4
9, 4, 247, 246, 1

So, pretty close! Esp as I hadn't taken any steps to try to get it dialled in - although I'm not sure what I would have done differently. It was interesting that the VP actually under-reported at the start. I had expected the opposite.

PS - on motivation, I am finding the combination of TR, following a defined plan, and tracking progress through WKO is hugely motivating even though I don't have any targets until May.

Could the initial under-reporting be due to the fluid being cold? VP would be expecting the turbo to be easier to turn, whereas in reality the viscous fluid made it stiffer, hence higher real power? I know the KK is supposed to be relatively unaffected by temp, but there must be some effect, and this does go after only a few minutes.

Now, what we really want you to do is the same test with one turn more and one turn less on the tyre clamp, to see how the results are affected. Then varying the tyre pressure! That would be really interesting, if you've got nothing better to do with your time, obviously!

I'm with you on the motivation too.

Cheers,
MarkP
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Re: The official TrainerRoad thread

Postby JGSI » Wed Nov 14, 2012 12:45 pm

Garryboy wrote:Did an extra session this morning (nearly completed base I) - sufferfest 'Hunted' - set intensity to 90%

http://www.trainerroad.com/cycling/rides/104358

Wanted this to be more of a sweet spot ride, hence setting intensity to 90% - what does everyone else do when using sufferfest vids & TR?


Not to use Sufferfest basically.
YouTube has plenty of Tour and Giro and Classics that are 1 to 3 hours in length
this is 1 of my favourites to ride to
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6p-HMxe ... plpp_video

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Re: The official TrainerRoad thread

Postby MarkP80 » Wed Nov 14, 2012 12:46 pm

So, after last week's FAIL on 90 minutes of Beacon, last night we smashed it!
http://www.trainerroad.com/cycling/rides/104006
Take that TrainerRoad! :twisted:

I plan to make a start on Intermediate Base II next week, so I couldn't finish Base I with defeat, although work commitments over the next few weeks may limit me to just two rides/week.

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Re: The official TrainerRoad thread

Postby Garryboy » Wed Nov 14, 2012 14:33 pm

JGSI wrote:
Garryboy wrote:Did an extra session this morning (nearly completed base I) - sufferfest 'Hunted' - set intensity to 90%

http://www.trainerroad.com/cycling/rides/104358

Wanted this to be more of a sweet spot ride, hence setting intensity to 90% - what does everyone else do when using sufferfest vids & TR?


Not to use Sufferfest basically.
YouTube has plenty of Tour and Giro and Classics that are 1 to 3 hours in length
this is 1 of my favourites to ride to
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6p-HMxe ... plpp_video



Cheers - I will have a go at that to mix things up a little, but I do like the 'fest videos and the fact the integrate with TR, just wanted to know if most folk stick with 100% or dial it down a little?

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Re: The official TrainerRoad thread

Postby shazzz » Wed Nov 14, 2012 14:55 pm

MarkP80 wrote:Could the initial under-reporting be due to the fluid being cold? VP would be expecting the turbo to be easier to turn, whereas in reality the viscous fluid made it stiffer, hence higher real power? I know the KK is supposed to be relatively unaffected by temp, but there must be some effect, and this does go after only a few minutes.

Now, what we really want you to do is the same test with one turn more and one turn less on the tyre clamp, to see how the results are affected. Then varying the tyre pressure! That would be really interesting, if you've got nothing better to do with your time, obviously!

I'm with you on the motivation too.

Cheers,
MarkP


That seems to make sense. Not sure why I was expecting the opposite effect!
I'll let you know if I do any more VP testing. For info, I had the tyre (Conti Trainer) at 110psi and cranked down the clamp with four half turns last night.

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Re: The official TrainerRoad thread

Postby JGSI » Wed Nov 14, 2012 18:05 pm

Went for an actual road ride this morning and then followed up with
http://www.trainerroad.com/cycling/rides/104509
Sphinx seems a decent workout for Nov/Dec.
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Re: The official TrainerRoad thread

Postby mattshrops » Wed Nov 14, 2012 18:18 pm

Anyone else getting some issues from the software?

Today did palmer and it didnt save OR upload properly. I've had to add my own data from GoldenCheetah.
http://www.trainerroad.com/cycling/rides/104378

Not sure i'll continue to pay if this is an ongoing issue.
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Re: The official TrainerRoad thread

Postby MarkP80 » Wed Nov 14, 2012 18:47 pm

shazzz wrote:For info, I had the tyre (Conti Trainer) at 110psi and cranked down the clamp with four half turns last night.

- That's interesting. I found I was getting a bit of wheelspin with that, so I upped it to three full turns. Maybe your tyre is stickier?

JGSI wrote:Went for an actual road ride this morning

- Can't remember last time I did that, I must give it a try! I've been enjoying myself too much on this turbo.

mattshrops wrote:Anyone else getting some issues from the software?

Today did palmer and it didnt save OR upload properly. I've had to add my own data from GoldenCheetah.
http://www.trainerroad.com/cycling/rides/104378

Not sure i'll continue to pay if this is an ongoing issue.

- I had a look at your graph, that looks very strange. If I were you I'd post in the TrainerRoad support forum and let Nate have a look at it. I'm sure he'll get to the bottom of it, I've always found him to be very helpful - and quick to respond.

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Re: The official TrainerRoad thread

Postby dw300 » Wed Nov 14, 2012 18:58 pm

Never had an issue, other than it seems to show quite a low number at the end of FTP tests.
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Re: The official TrainerRoad thread

Postby MarkP80 » Thu Nov 15, 2012 13:10 pm

dw300 wrote:Never had an issue, other than it seems to show quite a low number at the end of FTP tests.

- I think my version has the same bug.
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Re: The official TrainerRoad thread

Postby NapoleonD » Thu Nov 15, 2012 22:11 pm

Finally joined up to Trainer Road!
Just waiting for my ANT+ stick and a campagnolo freehub for my PT wheel (I'm in the process of rebuilding my bike with Campag...)
I'll start from intermediate Base 1 as I've not been doing any training or indeed much riding at all...
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Re: The official TrainerRoad thread

Postby JGSI » Fri Nov 16, 2012 08:46 am

You know it makes sense :D
(dunno going with Campag tho... :wink:

I'm going fpr most rides this week on leader board.. cant compete with time on trainer as some out there in TR world screw up their trainers to record 11 hours solid ....

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Re: The official TrainerRoad thread

Postby NatePearson » Fri Nov 16, 2012 18:52 pm

mattshrops wrote:Anyone else getting some issues from the software?

Today did palmer and it didnt save OR upload properly. I've had to add my own data from GoldenCheetah.
http://www.trainerroad.com/cycling/rides/104378

Not sure i'll continue to pay if this is an ongoing issue.


Uh oh. You might have hit a bug with the beta. We've had it where an OS program (like virus checking) takes over our database while we're recording, that then put the DB in a locked stat and we stop recording data.

Luckily, we wear belts and suspenders so we should be able to recover this ride. E-mail me at support@trainerroad.com and we'll be able to fix the problem.

I'm just finishing some code to prevent this from happening. That will be in the next beta release.

This bug happens once every 1,000 rides or so. But on some people's computers, it happens more often than others. So even though it's happened once to you, I can't guarantee that it won't happen again.

I also suggest not using our beta software. Looks like you're on beta 1.3.2. I recommend rolling back to 1.2.6 which is our production version. Our betas DO have bugs. Some people enjoy finding them and helping us improve, but if you want a seamless experience, we recommend not using them.

To roll back, uninstall the current version of TrainerRoad then get the production version at www.trainerroad.com/install.

And of course, if you're not happy with us, we'll give you a full refund. Just drop me a line at support@trainerroad.com and I'll make that happen.

-Nate

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Re: The official TrainerRoad thread

Postby JGSI » Fri Nov 16, 2012 19:05 pm

my last to 1 ride, I recorded more time than actually done.
http://www.trainerroad.com/cycling/rides/105846
Running 1.3.2 but am suspecting that I had a bad to poor signal from the garmin stick for the entire ride
Moved the stick to another port and the timing went better.


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