Are clipless pedals faster?

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Trev The Rev
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Are clipless pedals faster?

Postby Trev The Rev » Wed Nov 14, 2012 15:03 pm

Are clipless pedals faster? If so why?

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Re: Are clipless pedals faster?

Postby lostboysaint » Wed Nov 14, 2012 15:05 pm

No, they're the same speed as ordinary pedals.

I assume you're talking about dropping them from a building or something.

They may help YOU pedal more efficiently and encourage you to become a better and faster rider though.
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Re: Are clipless pedals faster?

Postby Trev The Rev » Wed Nov 14, 2012 15:09 pm

lostboysaint wrote:No, they're the same speed as ordinary pedals.

I assume you're talking about dropping them from a building or something.

They may help YOU pedal more efficiently and encourage you to become a better and faster rider though.


How do they help one become a better of faster rider? Do you have any evidence?

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Re: Are clipless pedals faster?

Postby Peat » Wed Nov 14, 2012 15:12 pm

Look, we know what you are digging at Trev.

The answer simply is, they're not.



But they do look cooooooool.

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Re: Are clipless pedals faster?

Postby sub55 » Wed Nov 14, 2012 17:35 pm

Trev The Rev wrote:Are clipless pedals faster? If so why?


faster than what
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Re: Are clipless pedals faster?

Postby Charlie Potatoes » Wed Nov 14, 2012 17:44 pm

Trev The Rev wrote:Are clipless pedals faster?


Yes but only on a TT involving a dual carriageway.

Trev The Rev wrote:If so why?


Because the scientists who work for the Energy Drink Companies say they are.
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Re: Are clipless pedals faster?

Postby cougie » Wed Nov 14, 2012 18:21 pm

What are the other options ?

Normal pedals - where you have to readjust your foot position to ideal every time you put a foot down, and dont forget the fun when your foot slips off.

Clips and straps - where it can be a bugger to flip the pedal and get your feet in. Plus unclipping needs a hand free. And tighten too much and your feet go numb. Also not all shoes work with straps.

For me - Clipless are the best option by far. I've had them for a good 25 years now and they're so much better than other pedals. As to faster ? Probably the same.

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Re: Are clipless pedals faster?

Postby TakeTurns » Wed Nov 14, 2012 18:40 pm

You are engaged with the pedal as supposed to flat pedals, therefore you can pull up as well as push down. For me it makes a massive difference especially when climbing. I'd say yes.

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Re: Are clipless pedals faster?

Postby Sprool » Wed Nov 14, 2012 18:47 pm

Isn't it considered bad technique to pull up?

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Re: Are clipless pedals faster?

Postby Silly Old Hector » Wed Nov 14, 2012 19:04 pm

Trev The Rev wrote:Are clipless pedals faster? If so why?


Yes. They are smoother.
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Re: Are clipless pedals faster?

Postby TakeTurns » Wed Nov 14, 2012 19:06 pm

Sprool wrote:Isn't it considered bad technique to pull up?


Depends how much force is applied. When done correctly it's beneficial.

If I'm doing a hill sprint, it helps to slightly pull up.

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Re: Are clipless pedals faster?

Postby smidsy » Wed Nov 14, 2012 19:07 pm

They are definitely not faster at getting your feet on them after stopping at junctions/traffic lights etc.
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Re: Are clipless pedals faster?

Postby Sprool » Wed Nov 14, 2012 19:07 pm

What about when used with a good recovery drink?

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Re: Are clipless pedals faster?

Postby sungod » Wed Nov 14, 2012 20:13 pm

yes

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Re: Are clipless pedals faster?

Postby Simon Masterson » Wed Nov 14, 2012 20:16 pm

This should be fun...

I really don't see why this merits debate. There are plenty of idiots in cycling who are easily persuaded that an awful lot of things will make them faster. It only has to have carbon fibre in the construction somewhere. :lol:

However, as any person with a brain can tell, fundamentally they can be no faster than any passive aid. A bicycle transmission can't increase the amount of force that the rider can deliver into it any more than one hammer can knock in a nail better than another. The differences in either case are secondary, whether they're a more positive feel for the rider or a better heft.

Clipless pedals and toe clips and straps work by securing the rider's feet; allowing him or her to transfer power with confidence at an optimal (not too fast, not too slow, but probably higher than they could comfortably do on a plain platform) cadence. Rather than repositioning their foot throughout the stroke to keep it on the platform, the rider is able to produce a steady rhythm, and there is no chance that a foot will slip off and end up in the front wheel (at worst).

They are an effective tool to the cyclist. I dont see what more needs to be said. What's next: 'Are light bikes faster?'

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Re: Are clipless pedals faster?

Postby DavidJB » Wed Nov 14, 2012 20:32 pm

I gained 132 watts moving from flat to clipless...

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Re: Are clipless pedals faster?

Postby MrSweary » Wed Nov 14, 2012 23:48 pm

All I know is that the point I always encountered leg death on my commute home on flats is fine since I moved to clipless this week. Do they make me faster? Dunno. Do they improve my pedalling efficiency? Yup, no doubt whatsoever.
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Re: Are clipless pedals faster?

Postby Sprool » Wed Nov 14, 2012 23:54 pm

improved pedalling efficiency = faster speed possible for same effort or same speed possible for less effort.

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Re: Are clipless pedals faster?

Postby MrSweary » Thu Nov 15, 2012 08:39 am

Well, yes, obviously. I didn't want to say that explicitly for fear of fanning the flames!
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Re: Are clipless pedals faster?

Postby Trev The Rev » Thu Nov 15, 2012 09:00 am

Dr Andrew Coggan found that clipless pedals are not faster and do not improve power or efficiency when compared to clips & straps or sports shoe on flat pedal.

http://www.academia.edu/238318/Coyle_EF ... _2622-2630

Considering the amount of money manufacturers ask you to pay for these pedal systems I am surprised they can not prove these systems are any better than ordinary shoes on flat pedals.


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