Where's the flab and what's worth saving?

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Where's the flab and what's worth saving?

Postby scarbs85 » Thu Nov 15, 2012 08:52 am

So my 09 Hardrock still weighs more than my full suss and really gets next to no use. I've been thinking about chopping it in for a lighter racier hard tail. This gives me 2 options.

1/ Sell it - put money towards new and shiny
2/ New frame, rob the Hardrock of components worth robbing to get rolling, and slowly upgrade/add to the new bike over time.

However, whilst I'm sure nothing is the lightest as far as the Hardrock is concerned, I don't really know what, if anything, would be worth using. The frame I'd be looking at is something like the on one scandal 26er currently on offer at £175. A lighter more aggressive racing hard tail.

The Hardrock spec is;
(Upgraded by me)
RockShox Recon silver TK front fork
Mavic 117 wheel set
Shimano M445 hydraulic discs + rotors (180/160)
new grips + pedals.

(The rest factory fit)
Frame:Specialized A1 Premium Aluminium, fully butted, formed top tube, double ORE down tube, externally relieved head tube, reinforced disc mount, forged dropouts with replaceable hanger
Front Derailleur:Shimano Altus, 34.9mm clamp
Rear Derailleur:SRAM X-4, midcage
Shifters:SRAM X-4, 8-speed trigger
Chainset:SR SunTour, Octalink spline
Chainrings:42S x 32S x 22S, replaceable
Bottom Bracket:Shimano BB-ES25, Octalink spline, cartridge bearing, 68mm x 113mm
Cassette:SRAM PG-820, 8-speed, 11-32t
Chain:KMC X8 with reusable Missing Link
Handlebars:Specialized alloy, 25mm rise, 640mm wide, 8 degree back sweep, 8 degree up sweep, 3.2mm thick
Stem:Specialized 3D forged, 10 degree rise, 25.4mm clamp
Headset:Specialized 1-1/8" threadless, loose ball
Saddle:Specialized XC, Body Geometry, 143mm width, front and rear bumpers
Seatpost:Specialized alloy two bolt, no offset, micro adjust, 30.9mm
Seat Binder:Specialized alloy with QR

I won't be offended if you tell me it's all crap and get shut. I don't want to try and use things just because I have it available and ruin a new frame with sub standard components. Equally I don't want to spend hundreds and hundreds building a top notch race machine. Something in the middle, which has the potential to grow and improve if I start racing more and more would be ideal.

Sorry for the long post, any and all advice welcome!

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Re: Where's the flab and what's worth saving?

Postby Me-109 » Thu Nov 15, 2012 09:42 am

I'd say that it depends on how much money you have available at any one time and what your priorities (and preferences) are. If you want to swap from 8sp to 9 or 10 it's a good opportunity to do it all in one go.

Re-use the upgrades; re-use the bars/stem/seatpin/front mech if the sizing is the same on the new frame or swap those first. Run it with the kit you already have and watch the clearance section of various online retailers to pick up some good bargains over time.

If that's too much hassle, Option 1.

If it's not worth that much or you are flush, n+1 :-)

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Re: Where's the flab and what's worth saving?

Postby dmorton » Thu Nov 15, 2012 10:09 am

I would:

Sell forks and frame (separately or together not sure what would net more money). Buy an On One frame with Rockshox Reba's (they do bundles from time to time). Recon's aren't a bad fork at all though, but Reba's are a fair bit lighter.

Switch over all other bits except Crankset, go for external BB and crank. This will be stiffer and hopefully a fair bit lighter.

Then upgrade other bits as they wear out to lighter ones.

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Re: Where's the flab and what's worth saving?

Postby cooldad » Thu Nov 15, 2012 10:14 am

Sell it and buy a new bike. By the time you've upgraded everything you'll have a new bike anyway.
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Re: Where's the flab and what's worth saving?

Postby mrmonkfinger » Thu Nov 15, 2012 10:42 am

cooldad wrote:Sell it and buy a new bike. By the time you've upgraded everything you'll have a new bike anyway.


this one

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Re: Where's the flab and what's worth saving?

Postby anj132 » Thu Nov 15, 2012 10:44 am

Some quick googling came up with the weight of the A1 frame being 4.1 lbs although I don't know how accurate that is.

The scandal is 3.5 lbs. So from a weight saving point of view there is little over 1/2 lb in it and I doubt it would be noticed. I would only do this is there was a much longer term idea of upgrading everything to make a light weight custom bike and was something you really fancied doing.

From what I understand the hardrock isn't a bad frame. You could always look out for a s/h rockhopper frame or a maxlight to save pennies towards other upgrades.

Reading between the lines, I think you should just go out and race what you've got now as it's more about the person on the bike than the bike it's self. Money spent on training tools would be better spent I feel. Just make sure you've got a good combination of tyres for racing with. If/When you get more serious about racing maybe look at a better bike then.

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Re: Where's the flab and what's worth saving?

Postby scarbs85 » Thu Nov 15, 2012 11:19 am

Im doing a few races and riding a lot on my Trance X4. As things stand it's lighter and faster than my hardrock. It just seems pointless having a bike I dont use at all, so the idea is to get a hardtail which offers something the Trance doesnt. Thanks for the input chaps, thats given me a bit to think about!
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Re: Where's the flab and what's worth saving?

Postby Cat With No Tail » Thu Nov 15, 2012 11:27 am

cooldad wrote:Sell it and buy a new bike. By the time you've upgraded everything you'll have a new bike anyway.


Very this.

I turned my rockhopper into a bit of a commuter / road going MTB, but with kit I could still use offroad when I want to. In current format, it's around 21lb with pedals, if I stick the old heavy fork back on there, and some MTB tyres, it'll be around 25lb (at a guess).

It's ended up costing me about £500 to do it, plus the £200 I paid for the bike. Could've just bought a half decent road bike or XC bike for that sort of money (however the plan is to use this to build strength before I get a proper roady in the new year).

Couple of points.

1. What sort of budget do you have?
2. You do realize a good number of the HardRock parts won't fit on the scandal, right?

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Re: Where's the flab and what's worth saving?

Postby chez_m356 » Thu Nov 15, 2012 11:29 am

scarbs85 wrote:So my 09 Hardrock still weighs more than my full suss and really gets next to no use. I've been thinking about chopping it in for a lighter racier hard tail. This gives me 2 options.

so if you get a new frame/bike will that get ''next to no use'' after the first five minutes of it being new too ? you could give the hardrock a new lease of life just by upgrading the stock bars, stem and chainset, and if you still wanted rid after that at least you would have better parts to put on something else
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Re: Where's the flab and what's worth saving?

Postby scarbs85 » Thu Nov 15, 2012 11:43 am

No Chez, the reason I don't use it much/at all is because I don't see any reason to use it over my Trance, which frankly does everything better. It's not because the shine has gone from it....

Maybe I'm wrong on that? I'll happily admit I'm not the most knowledgeable person in the world, although I don't consider myself completely clueless.

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Re: Where's the flab and what's worth saving?

Postby chez_m356 » Thu Nov 15, 2012 12:01 pm

scarbs85 wrote:No Chez, the reason I don't use it much/at all is because I don't see any reason to use it over my Trance, which frankly does everything better. It's not because the shine has gone from it....

but wouldn't that still be the case with any other hardtail you got
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Re: Where's the flab and what's worth saving?

Postby scarbs85 » Thu Nov 15, 2012 12:11 pm

I'd hope not, otherwise nobody would ride hardtails! It's looking like that would be the case if I tried to cobble my existing parts onto a new frame though.

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Re: Where's the flab and what's worth saving?

Postby chez_m356 » Thu Nov 15, 2012 12:28 pm

scarbs85 wrote:I'd hope not, otherwise nobody would ride hardtails! It's looking like that would be the case if I tried to cobble my existing parts onto a new frame though.

not saying you should/shouldn't do anything, just playing devil's advocate, nothing wrong with upgrading/wanting a change, i've had my Nerve for over a year now and i'm still going through the process of upgrading my hardrock, it's nice to have a choice of which bike to take out :wink:
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Re: Where's the flab and what's worth saving?

Postby stuisnew » Thu Nov 15, 2012 12:54 pm

I'd agree with others, sell the hardrock and buy a new bike. A new chainset and BB will cost in the region of £50+, lighter seatpost £20+ etc...soon adds up and you'd get better value from a new bike. Looks for 2011 or 2012 sales, some bargains to be had.

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Re: Where's the flab and what's worth saving?

Postby Rindle » Thu Nov 15, 2012 18:26 pm

If you like your Trance better ride it. Save the £175 and keep the Hardrock as a spare/pub/winter bike. If the Trance breaks or needs a service use the £175 for this.

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Re: Where's the flab and what's worth saving?

Postby supersonic » Thu Nov 15, 2012 19:12 pm

The build you have is all decent budget stuff, but all quite heavy. No one component sticks out a been massively lardy, so mostly gains will be small. Mostly - grips, tubes and tyres will knock most weigth off for least cost.

After that it becomes harder.

So gt this (if the geo suits):

http://www.bike-discount.de/shop/a58228 ... ml?mfid=52

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Re: Where's the flab and what's worth saving?

Postby anj132 » Fri Nov 16, 2012 14:58 pm

supersonic wrote:So gt this (if the geo suits):

http://www.bike-discount.de/shop/a58228 ... ml?mfid=52


Going slightly OT and I've seen the bike before but that's amazing VFM at just over £700!

XT Group Set £525

Rockshox SID RL Poploc £350 (although different axle?)

Those 2 alone cost more than the bike!

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Re: Where's the flab and what's worth saving?

Postby The Rookie » Sat Nov 17, 2012 14:05 pm

The Hardrock frame is probably the (proportionately) lightest component on the 'rock, tyres and tubes will knock a stack off, if you can find some Recon Gold uppers they are about 250g lighter than the (steel) silvers, why not go 1x9 as well for an easy 250g saving.

I had a 19" Lardrock frame at one point (bought for the components on it) and it came in at just under 2Kg, compared to a rockhopper which was about 250g lighter.

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Re: Where's the flab and what's worth saving?

Postby d00m » Sat Nov 17, 2012 20:44 pm

Ghetto tubeless and schwalbe Rocket Ron's in something. That'll make your bike feel instantly quicker.

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Re: Where's the flab and what's worth saving?

Postby abductee » Sun Nov 18, 2012 12:46 pm

I think we need to be sure which frame it is. The 08 hardrock was a square shaped frame and quite heavy. The 09 has the curved top tube and quite a bit lighter.

"Specialized dropped the big-tubed dirt jump build for their Hardrock range in 2009. Now the bikes are leaner and lighter to suit cross-country riding. "
http://www.bikeradar.com/gear/category/ ... c-10-39570

I dont think you'll see much of a weight saving if it's the later frame.

Also you dont say what tyres.


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