The bike does make a difference

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The bike does make a difference

Postby Buckie2k5 » Fri Nov 16, 2012 22:53 pm

Sold my 3 month old triban3 the other day and picked up a 2012 caad8. Now after reading loads on here about this bike and that bike etc i was a bit sceptical on how much a better bike could improve your speed.

Took her out for the maiden voyage this afternoon and smashed my pb's on a few segments without pushing that hard. WOW!! Not only has my speed improved but the level of comfort and ride quality is unreal iam now sold on the idea that the bike is everything lol how much faster would i be on a 4 grand dream machine :wink:

now wheres that discussion on white bar tape, 1 ride in and there looking grim lol

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Re: The bike does make a difference

Postby RubbishCyclist » Fri Nov 16, 2012 23:04 pm

Got the same bike, lovely!

Im assuming you have the tiagra with white bar tape? mine is minging after three months, soon to be changed to green :)

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Re: The bike does make a difference

Postby Buckie2k5 » Fri Nov 16, 2012 23:30 pm

ye tiagra lovely looking bike a lot better in the flesh, pics on the web dont do it justice. Glad i took the gamble ;)

just had a look at your post showing off your bike, i find it funny i also have a s2 mount on mine :D

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Re: The bike does make a difference

Postby Simon Masterson » Fri Nov 16, 2012 23:31 pm

You need the aero helmet now, and don't forget the shoe covers and the skin suit; they really make you faster. :lol:

I'm glad you are enjoying your new bike, but the difference in speed between (for example) a '50s 10kg plain gauge 531 bike with all of the things that a racing bike supposedly should not have wrong with it (bottom bracket and frame flex, less stiff wheels, 'heavy' weight, etc) and something that you'd expect to see in all of the major competitions, will not be great. Do the riders of today ride 30% faster than Coppi, Anquetil, Merckx et al? If you watch major time trials, you will see fairly substantial (in TT terms!) time differences between riders. They've all got pretty similar bikes.

It's still not the equipment. :wink:

P.S. Some people like to use solvents and other strong chemicals on their white bar tape. I think it's easier to not have white bar tape, myself!

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Re: The bike does make a difference

Postby Prhymeate » Sat Nov 17, 2012 00:18 am

You got rid of the triban after just 3 months? Poor thing, haha. I also have a triban but don't think my next upgrade will for a long while yet.

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Re: The bike does make a difference

Postby Stueys » Sat Nov 17, 2012 08:15 am

I've been riding my winter bike over the last month and you can feel the difference between that (Spesh allez) and my Canyon (ultimate slx). The Spesh has an additional 2.5kg,I wouldn't say I'm significantly slower on it but its harder work to ride.

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Re: The bike does make a difference

Postby Rolf F » Sat Nov 17, 2012 10:50 am

It's not about the bike. If you had a Triban for 3 months and replaced it already then probably you've only just started cycling. You'll be improving in leaps and bounds anyway and enthusiastic for your new bike. Plus the temperatures have increased a lot over the last week and that means, in my case, my commute times have dropped right down to summer times again. There's 1.5kg of weight difference between the two bikes; that's going to give you a speed benefit that's rather less than air temperature and wind variations will generate not to mention how good you are feeling on the day.
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Re: The bike does make a difference

Postby mallorcajeff » Sat Nov 17, 2012 17:38 pm

sure does i was sceptical ar first, I had a Cube Agree in Aluminium and that was great, changed it to a carbon Willier and couldnt belive how much better it was and thought you cant get better than this, then bought a Scott Addict RC with DA Di2 and it surely cannot get any better. Just gets faster and faster. I dont think I will be upgrading for a while as I have got to the point the bike is far far better than me so no need to chage it.

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Re: The bike does make a difference

Postby unixnerd » Sat Nov 17, 2012 18:53 pm

Just started using my winter steel tourer with seemingly lead lined 28mm Schwalbe Marathons, can't believe how much harder it is to get up to speed on it. Yet many years ago when it replaced my ten speed Raleigh it felt like a rocket ship. Can't wait for a nice day to get my Roubaix out, maxxed out at 3.8C here today.
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Re: The bike does make a difference

Postby hipshot » Sat Nov 17, 2012 19:10 pm

Simon Masterson wrote: Do the riders of today ride 30% faster than Coppi, Anquetil, Merckx et al? If you watch major time trials, you will see fairly substantial (in TT terms!) time differences between riders. They've all got pretty similar bikes.

It's still not the equipment. :wink:



True. But you'll never convince some people.

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Re: The bike does make a difference

Postby john1967 » Sat Nov 17, 2012 20:34 pm

hipshot wrote:
Simon Masterson wrote: Do the riders of today ride 30% faster than Coppi, Anquetil, Merckx et al? If you watch major time trials, you will see fairly substantial (in TT terms!) time differences between riders. They've all got pretty similar bikes.

It's still not the equipment. :wink:



True. But you'll never convince some people.


Merckx 116h 16' 58 1974
Wiggo 87h 34' 47" 2012

thats pretty close to 30% faster.Remember the man who said its not about the bike was probably cheating.Ill keep my Scott foil and well see if Cav wants to do next years tour on my old San remo.

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Re: The bike does make a difference

Postby kbmack » Sat Nov 17, 2012 20:44 pm

Interesting post. I've got two bikes, a Giant Defy Composite 2 (carbon thingy) and a Trek Alpha 2.1 (aluminium thingy). Taking into account a variety of factors, I reckon the Giant I own is about 1.5 mph faster than the Trek over a standard, lumpy, 60 km route I do. True, these might not be comparable bikes but the Giant I've got is much better at converting power to speed.

The Trek is pretty worn out I guess so recently I had the headset, rear cassette, cables and chain replaced and this has made a big improvement in this bike's performance.

I'd fight shy to say that's it's the bike that's making the difference as I guess the most important thing is the engine (the rider) but in my case I suppose the Giant is actually making a difference. Perhaps it's better suited to me?

Anyhow, glad you're enjoying the CAAD and hope it gives you many happy miles!

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Re: The bike does make a difference

Postby Fursty Ferret » Sat Nov 17, 2012 22:01 pm

john1967 wrote:
hipshot wrote:
Simon Masterson wrote: Do the riders of today ride 30% faster than Coppi, Anquetil, Merckx et al? If you watch major time trials, you will see fairly substantial (in TT terms!) time differences between riders. They've all got pretty similar bikes.

It's still not the equipment. :wink:



True. But you'll never convince some people.


Merckx 116h 16' 58 1974
Wiggo 87h 34' 47" 2012


thats pretty close to 30% faster.Remember the man who said its not about the bike was probably cheating.Ill keep my Scott foil and well see if Cav wants to do next years tour on my old San remo.


You appear to be ignoring the fact that the 1974 tour was longer in terms of mileage. Their average speeds were much close; Merckx at around 35kmh and Wiggins at around 39kmh. Then you have to take into account the route, the number of climbs, the length and number of time trials etc. So your figure of 30% faster is wildly inaccurate.

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Re: The bike does make a difference

Postby DavidJB » Sat Nov 17, 2012 22:42 pm

People that say it's not about the bike are normally the ones can't afford a good bike. Jealousy is an ugly colour.

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Re: The bike does make a difference

Postby Simon Masterson » Sat Nov 17, 2012 23:28 pm

Fursty Ferret wrote:You appear to be ignoring the fact that the 1974 tour was longer in terms of mileage. Their average speeds were much close; Merckx at around 35kmh and Wiggins at around 39kmh. Then you have to take into account the route, the number of climbs, the length and number of time trials etc. So your figure of 30% faster is wildly inaccurate.


Indeed!

Whilst I understand where this comes from, at worst it is a delusion, and very amusing at that (13st fat knackers worrying about a few grams), but it does no-one any favours. If it's the bike's fault, how long before it's the annoying colleague's fault, the argument with the wife's fault, the DIY that needs doing's fault, etc etc etc? Most amateurs are not too good for the bike. You could be lighter, you could be fitter.

But Fausto Coppi and Charly Gaul (et al) rode Alpe d'Huez and other mountain stages with superb grace, on clips and straps on plain gauge steel, yet some people worry about being able to get up the hills on their weekly club run/commute/sportive on their 9kg bike. I can only apologise to any such person, but I find that very amusing. Dr. Masterson has a prescription for you: A course of industrial strength reality check, to be administered five times daily... ;)
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Re: The bike does make a difference

Postby Simon Masterson » Sat Nov 17, 2012 23:32 pm

DavidJB wrote:People that say it's not about the bike are normally the ones can't afford a good bike. Jealousy is an ugly colour.


My favourite bike is the one that I gazed at with wonderment as a lad. It was daddy's and now it is mine. I already own the best bike in the world. ;)

P.S. Nice excuse. :lol:

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Re: The bike does make a difference

Postby nolight » Sun Nov 18, 2012 09:07 am

DavidJB wrote:People that say it's not about the bike are normally the ones can't afford a good bike. Jealousy is an ugly colour.


Likewise, people who say bikes matter a lot are normally the ones who already invested a lot and want to justify that investment :P .

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Re: The bike does make a difference

Postby AndyH01 » Sun Nov 18, 2012 09:49 am

kbmack wrote:Interesting post. I've got two bikes, a Giant Defy Composite 2 (carbon thingy) and a Trek Alpha 2.1 (aluminium thingy). Taking into account a variety of factors, I reckon the Giant I own is about 1.5 mph faster than the Trek over a standard, lumpy, 60 km route I do. True, these might not be comparable bikes but the Giant I've got is much better at converting power to speed.

The Trek is pretty worn out I guess so recently I had the headset, rear cassette, cables and chain replaced and this has made a big improvement in this bike's performance.

I'd fight shy to say that's it's the bike that's making the difference as I guess the most important thing is the engine (the rider) but in my case I suppose the Giant is actually making a difference. Perhaps it's better suited to me?

Anyhow, glad you're enjoying the CAAD and hope it gives you many happy miles!


That;sinteresting, I had an Viking Hybrid tripple flatbar for the commute used for nearly four years which I've recently upgraded to the Trek 2.1 105 drop bar , my commute is now easier and faster avg speed/times are up consistantly, as just used for a commute glad I didn't upgrade further for the little difference gained between Trek 2.1 and carbon dura ace etc..

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Re: The bike does make a difference

Postby Simon Masterson » Sun Nov 18, 2012 11:43 am

nolight wrote:
DavidJB wrote:People that say it's not about the bike are normally the ones can't afford a good bike. Jealousy is an ugly colour.


Likewise, people who say bikes matter a lot are normally the ones who already invested a lot and want to justify that investment :P .


Quite. ;)

But Rolf F has some very handsome bikes in his collection if I recall. I'm sure he's incredibly jealous!

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Re: The bike does make a difference

Postby thecryof » Sun Nov 18, 2012 13:24 pm

I have a 600 euro 2011 Giant Defy 3, bought this due to it being a nice bike and also didn't want to spend a fortune. I'm not sold on this carbon fibre stuff, I can keep up with most others' and my training is progressing nicely.

If the bike fits you and is in decent shape you can do as well as you want on it. Cost means nothing with this stuff, it's all about your mind and your legs.
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