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Re: UCI / Independent commission

Postby iainf72 » Fri Nov 09, 2012 14:42 pm

Sounds like a plan.

Could we extend it to wider society, seeing as this prison thing is going to stop crime.

Oh.
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Re: UCI / Independent commission

Postby Trev The Rev » Fri Nov 09, 2012 14:57 pm

iainf72 wrote:Sounds like a plan.

Could we extend it to wider society, seeing as this prison thing is going to stop crime.

Oh.


It is the letting out of prison that has failed to stop crime not the putting in prison or the being in prison.

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Re: UCI / Independent commission

Postby mfin » Fri Nov 09, 2012 15:14 pm

Trev The Rev wrote:If taking performance enhancing drugs is so petty it does not warrant the involvement of the police then we should stop worrying about it...

If it is not illegal then we should stop wasting our time with all the tests...

Criminalise it and lock up the offenders or accept it.


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Re: UCI / Independent commission

Postby OCDuPalais » Fri Nov 09, 2012 15:20 pm

Trev The Rev wrote:
iainf72 wrote:Sounds like a plan.

Could we extend it to wider society, seeing as this prison thing is going to stop crime.

Oh.


It is the letting out of prison that has failed to stop crime not the putting in prison or the being in prison.


You're not one of those "bleeding hearts" are you?

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Re: UCI / Independent commission

Postby Trev The Rev » Fri Nov 09, 2012 15:22 pm

mfin wrote:
Trev The Rev wrote:If taking performance enhancing drugs is so petty it does not warrant the involvement of the police then we should stop worrying about it...

If it is not illegal then we should stop wasting our time with all the tests...

Criminalise it and lock up the offenders or accept it.


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So you don't think PEDs should be illegal and the offenders locked up?

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Re: UCI / Independent commission

Postby Trev The Rev » Fri Nov 09, 2012 15:33 pm

OCDuPalais wrote:
Trev The Rev wrote:
iainf72 wrote:Sounds like a plan.

Could we extend it to wider society, seeing as this prison thing is going to stop crime.

Oh.


It is the letting out of prison that has failed to stop crime not the putting in prison or the being in prison.


You're not one of those "bleeding hearts" are you?


Last time I was burgled the offender was out of prison. Studies show a remarkable drop in the rate of burglaries committed by criminals whilst they are in prison but sadly when out on parole or bail their burglary rate rises again.

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Re: UCI / Independent commission

Postby iainf72 » Fri Nov 09, 2012 15:35 pm

But you're suggesting the prison is some kind of deterent. It's not. So if we move on from that, we realise criminalise doping is a folly.

We need better detection. If people think they've got a 95% chance of being caught they will not do it. If they thought, as it was in the early 2000's they had a 3% chance, they'd go for it with gay abandon.
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Re: UCI / Independent commission

Postby Trev The Rev » Fri Nov 09, 2012 15:42 pm

iainf72 wrote:But you're suggesting the prison is some kind of deterent. It's not. So if we move on from that, we realise criminalise doping is a folly.

We need better detection. If people think they've got a 95% chance of being caught they will not do it. If they thought, as it was in the early 2000's they had a 3% chance, they'd go for it with gay abandon.


My prison sentences would be a deterrent. But I agree with you it is the fear of getting caught which we need to work on. David Millar changed his tune once arrested. As Armstrong proved the tests only catch a small minority and are no deterrent. Does gay abandon still mean what it used to?

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Re: UCI / Independent commission

Postby OCDuPalais » Fri Nov 09, 2012 15:50 pm

Trev The Rev wrote:
iainf72 wrote:But you're suggesting the prison is some kind of deterent. It's not. So if we move on from that, we realise criminalise doping is a folly.

We need better detection. If people think they've got a 95% chance of being caught they will not do it. If they thought, as it was in the early 2000's they had a 3% chance, they'd go for it with gay abandon.


My prison sentences would be a deterrent. But I agree with you it is the fear of getting caught which we need to work on. David Millar changed his tune once arrested. As Armstrong proved the tests only catch a small minority and are no deterrent. Does gay abandon still mean what it used to?


As I understand it, abandoning a gay is frowned upon, but I don't think you can go to prison for it.

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Re: UCI / Independent commission

Postby nathancom » Fri Nov 09, 2012 18:41 pm

Trev The Rev wrote:
OCDuPalais wrote:
Trev The Rev wrote:
iainf72 wrote:Sounds like a plan.

Could we extend it to wider society, seeing as this prison thing is going to stop crime.

Oh.


It is the letting out of prison that has failed to stop crime not the putting in prison or the being in prison.


You're not one of those "bleeding hearts" are you?


Last time I was burgled the offender was out of prison. Studies show a remarkable drop in the rate of burglaries committed by criminals whilst they are in prison but sadly when out on parole or bail their burglary rate rises again.
I agree, we should probably lock them all up for the rest of their lives. We should probably chemical castrate them too so that the scum can't continue to breed because it is probably in their jeans which they probably shoplifted from Burberry. We should also make the Daily Mail compulsory reading from the age of 5 and upwards in schools so that our children get taught proper morals.
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Re: UCI / Independent commission

Postby OCDuPalais » Fri Nov 09, 2012 20:27 pm

Ooh, I could rip a tissue.

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Re: UCI / Independent commission

Postby mfin » Fri Nov 09, 2012 22:13 pm

Trev The Rev wrote:
mfin wrote:
Trev The Rev wrote:If taking performance enhancing drugs is so petty it does not warrant the involvement of the police then we should stop worrying about it...

If it is not illegal then we should stop wasting our time with all the tests...

Criminalise it and lock up the offenders or accept it.


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So you don't think PEDs should be illegal and the offenders locked up?


That's right. Also, when you said "If taking performance enhancing drugs is so petty it does not warrant the involvement of the police then we should stop worrying about it." I don't agree with that at all either, if by saying that you mean PEDs aren't worth worrying about if they're not illegal, because I believe they f**k up every essence of 'what sport is' - and hence are worth worrying about, if worrying is the right word.
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Re: UCI / Independent commission

Postby mike6 » Sun Nov 11, 2012 19:14 pm

nathancom wrote:
Trev The Rev wrote:
OCDuPalais wrote:
Trev The Rev wrote:
iainf72 wrote:Sounds like a plan.

Could we extend it to wider society, seeing as this prison thing is going to stop crime.

Oh.


It is the letting out of prison that has failed to stop crime not the putting in prison or the being in prison.


You're not one of those "bleeding hearts" are you?


Last time I was burgled the offender was out of prison. Studies show a remarkable drop in the rate of burglaries committed by criminals whilst they are in prison but sadly when out on parole or bail their burglary rate rises again.
I agree, we should probably lock them all up for the rest of their lives. We should probably chemical castrate them too so that the scum can't continue to breed because it is probably in their jeans which they probably shoplifted from Burberry. We should also make the Daily Mail compulsory reading from the age of 5 and upwards in schools so that our children get taught proper morals.


A confusion of issues here I think.
If prison was a real possibility for me, If I broke some rule, I would be terrified of the prospect, and I believe most on this forum would feel the same.
Sadly, for some career criminals, It is not a deterrent, so keeping them in prison longer would, by default, bring the crime rate down.
This stance douse not make me a Fascist or indeed a Mail reader, just a realist.

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Re: UCI / Independent commission

Postby nathancom » Sun Nov 11, 2012 22:26 pm

mike6 wrote:
nathancom wrote:
Trev The Rev wrote:
OCDuPalais wrote:
Trev The Rev wrote:
iainf72 wrote:Sounds like a plan.

Could we extend it to wider society, seeing as this prison thing is going to stop crime.

Oh.


It is the letting out of prison that has failed to stop crime not the putting in prison or the being in prison.


You're not one of those "bleeding hearts" are you?


Last time I was burgled the offender was out of prison. Studies show a remarkable drop in the rate of burglaries committed by criminals whilst they are in prison but sadly when out on parole or bail their burglary rate rises again.
I agree, we should probably lock them all up for the rest of their lives. We should probably chemical castrate them too so that the scum can't continue to breed because it is probably in their jeans which they probably shoplifted from Burberry. We should also make the Daily Mail compulsory reading from the age of 5 and upwards in schools so that our children get taught proper morals.


A confusion of issues here I think.
If prison was a real possibility for me, If I broke some rule, I would be terrified of the prospect, and I believe most on this forum would feel the same.
Sadly, for some career criminals, It is not a deterrent, so keeping them in prison longer would, by default, bring the crime rate down.
This stance douse not make me a Fascist or indeed a Mail reader, just a realist.
Crime rates across the western world have been falling in every country independent of length of sentences handed out so your desire to lock up people for eternity is neither necessary nor efficient but then again they deserve it because they are poor.

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Re: UCI / Independent commission

Postby Rick Chasey » Mon Nov 12, 2012 06:58 am

iainf72 wrote:But you're suggesting the prison is some kind of deterent. It's not. So if we move on from that, we realise criminalise doping is a folly.

We need better detection. If people think they've got a 95% chance of being caught they will not do it. If they thought, as it was in the early 2000's they had a 3% chance, they'd go for it with gay abandon.


Criminalization of doping does mean the police get involved, which is another avenue of attack against the doper. Think Millar.

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Re: UCI / Independent commission

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Re: UCI / Independent commission

Postby Trev The Rev » Mon Nov 19, 2012 13:53 pm

nathancom wrote:
mike6 wrote:
nathancom wrote:
Trev The Rev wrote:
OCDuPalais wrote:
Trev The Rev wrote:
iainf72 wrote:Sounds like a plan.

Could we extend it to wider society, seeing as this prison thing is going to stop crime.

Oh.


It is the letting out of prison that has failed to stop crime not the putting in prison or the being in prison.


You're not one of those "bleeding hearts" are you?


Last time I was burgled the offender was out of prison. Studies show a remarkable drop in the rate of burglaries committed by criminals whilst they are in prison but sadly when out on parole or bail their burglary rate rises again.
I agree, we should probably lock them all up for the rest of their lives. We should probably chemical castrate them too so that the scum can't continue to breed because it is probably in their jeans which they probably shoplifted from Burberry. We should also make the Daily Mail compulsory reading from the age of 5 and upwards in schools so that our children get taught proper morals.


A confusion of issues here I think.
If prison was a real possibility for me, If I broke some rule, I would be terrified of the prospect, and I believe most on this forum would feel the same.
Sadly, for some career criminals, It is not a deterrent, so keeping them in prison longer would, by default, bring the crime rate down.
This stance douse not make me a Fascist or indeed a Mail reader, just a realist.
Crime rates across the western world have been falling in every country independent of length of sentences handed out so your desire to lock up people for eternity is neither necessary nor efficient but then again they deserve it because they are poor.


Why do you assume criminals are poor? The scum bags who stole my Purdy are rather wealthy now.
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Re: UCI / Independent commission

Postby Garry H » Mon Nov 19, 2012 15:14 pm

Just saw a banner on the BBC news stating that WADA are proposing/discussing changing the ban from 2 to 4 years. Don't know the context though.

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Re: UCI / Independent commission

Postby Richmond Racer » Mon Nov 19, 2012 15:22 pm

Garry H wrote:Just saw a banner on the BBC news stating that WADA are proposing/discussing changing the ban from 2 to 4 years. Don't know the context though.



Think that's been on the cards for some time. CAS's ruling on countries applying lifetime bans on ex-dopers being selected for Olympics, being counter to the WADA Code, has given this extra weight I'd imagine. Means that dopers from all countries signed up to WADA have to miss a full Olympic cycle as minimum.

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Re: UCI / Independent commission

Postby sherer » Mon Nov 19, 2012 16:17 pm

what they need to tighten up is the loophole of so called co-operating and reduced sentancing. I've seem some where they don't name and names but still get 6 months instead of 2 years


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