Brutal new top-finish in Vuelta 2013

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Brutal new top-finish in Vuelta 2013

Postby victorponf » Mon Nov 19, 2012 10:43 am

Haza Llana, brutal new top-finish in Vuelta 2013 (profile included)

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Re: Brutal new top-finish in Vuelta 2013

Postby Richmond Racer » Mon Nov 19, 2012 10:52 am

The Vuelta organisers should be running circuses really. Rumour mill is also 12 summit finishes, 2 more than the 10 this year.
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Re: Brutal new top-finish in Vuelta 2013

Postby inkyfingers » Mon Nov 19, 2012 11:05 am

Definitely a danger of having too much of a good thing, remember the 2011 Giro?

I suppose it's their way of guaranteeing that a Spaniard wins. They need to be careful though, this years Vuelta was a good one but something tells me that Contador will revert to his old format next year and race hard up till the Tour then put his feet up.
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Re: Brutal new top-finish in Vuelta 2013

Postby frenchfighter » Mon Nov 19, 2012 12:08 pm

Thanks for posting. Lovely views and a great road surface.

It is one of the longest climbs that I can remember to have been included in a race.

Very exposed too which will be murder if it is windy.
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Re: Brutal new top-finish in Vuelta 2013

Postby Salsiccia1 » Mon Nov 19, 2012 12:36 pm

It looks fantastic, but one of those in a GT is enough. Some of the stuff in this year's Vuelta was too much.
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Re: Brutal new top-finish in Vuelta 2013

Postby Abdoujaparov » Mon Nov 19, 2012 12:38 pm

Wow. Toughest climb to ever feature in a GT? Looks like a cracker - tough 5km section near the bottom to start the selection early.

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Re: Brutal new top-finish in Vuelta 2013

Postby ThomThom » Mon Nov 19, 2012 12:52 pm

What don't they get? It was exellent for the first 2-4 stages. When we hit the 8th steep finish it was like watching a sprint stage - just much worse.

Talking about sprint stages... When you keep creating routes like these that is when Degenkolb wins 5 stages. And everyone with just little knowledge know that John - being a fast man, mind you - shouldn't be able to win 5 stages in a GT.

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Re: Brutal new top-finish in Vuelta 2013

Postby Richmond Racer » Mon Nov 19, 2012 13:03 pm

ThomThom wrote:What don't they get? It was exellent for the first 2-4 stages. When we hit the 8th steep finish it was like watching a sprint stage - just much worse.

Talking about sprint stages... When you keep creating routes like these that is when Degenkolb wins 5 stages. And everyone with just little knowledge know that John - being a fast man, mind you - shouldn't be able to win 5 stages in a GT.



I'm with you. The organisers are in the same mindset groove that Zomegnan got into (as Inky says, remember the '11 Giro). They think that more really is more. It'll head back to the days of the non-Spanish riders looking for the closest airports to the locations of the last stage before a rest day; Tier 1 sprinters will rule out the Vuelta even more than last year; and the Vuelta will truly cement its place as an also-ran to the Giro and the Tour - unless you're Spanish.

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Re: Brutal new top-finish in Vuelta 2013

Postby sherer » Mon Nov 19, 2012 16:34 pm

plus all these brutal stages one after the other is used as part of the reason why cyclists have to keep taking drugs.

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Re: Brutal new top-finish in Vuelta 2013

Postby ThomThom » Mon Nov 19, 2012 16:39 pm

These stages aren't brutal, though. The Vuelta didn't have one brutal stage. Riding over 5 big mountains in 6 hours is kind of brutal. Riding 180 km of flat and 5 km of 18% isn't brutal.

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Re: Brutal new top-finish in Vuelta 2013

Postby Richmond Racer » Mon Nov 19, 2012 16:48 pm

ThomThom wrote:These stages aren't brutal, though. The Vuelta didn't have one brutal stage. Riding over 5 big mountains in 6 hours is kind of brutal. Riding 180 km of flat and 5 km of 18% isn't brutal.



Stages which end in some riders having to wheel their bikes across the finish seems brutal enough.

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Re: Brutal new top-finish in Vuelta 2013

Postby ThomThom » Mon Nov 19, 2012 16:57 pm

I know what I would prefer looking at the two stage designs. That's for sure.

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Re: Brutal new top-finish in Vuelta 2013

Postby Tom Butcher » Mon Nov 19, 2012 17:27 pm

The Vuelta was the best grand tour of 2013 so I'll wait and see whether a similar parcours is going to ruin the 2014 race.

edit - yeah yeah I'm from the future - I mean 2012 and 2013 !
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Re: Brutal new top-finish in Vuelta 2013

Postby LeicesterLad » Mon Nov 19, 2012 17:27 pm

People who thought this years Vuelta route was poor are on crack surely? The 2012 Tour route was one of the dullest ever but because it's called 'the Tour de France' people strangely do not seem to notice.

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Re: Brutal new top-finish in Vuelta 2013

Postby inkyfingers » Mon Nov 19, 2012 17:47 pm

LeicesterLad wrote:People who thought this years Vuelta route was poor are on crack surely? The 2012 Tour route was one of the dullest ever but because it's called 'the Tour de France' people strangely do not seem to notice.


Don't see anybody saying the Vuelta route was poor LL. It was a great race, but it did feature a lot of very similar stages, fairly flat then a mental finish, like this ______/ (wow, you can tell I work in design)!

After a while I a bit felt like I was watching the Fleche Wallone over and over again. They just need to make sure it has some variety, after all, the stage where the race was won wasn't a particularly tough one.

The main reason the Vuelta was good was because you had a couple of very well matched riders, who had a real ding dong battle throughout the race. Sadly, due to the lack of Contador, Schleck and a fully fit Evans you just didn't have that in the Tour. The tour route was pretty poor, but it would still have been a better race if it had been close like the Vuelta was.
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Re: Brutal new top-finish in Vuelta 2013

Postby mike6 » Mon Nov 19, 2012 17:49 pm

I agree with the theory that the Vuelta was designed to produce a Spanish winner last year, and 2013 looks like even more of the same.
I can see the Spanish race slipping into deep obscurity, as all but the best specialist climbers vote with there feet.

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Re: Brutal new top-finish in Vuelta 2013

Postby ThomThom » Mon Nov 19, 2012 19:53 pm

LeicesterLad wrote:People who thought this years Vuelta route was poor are on crack surely? The 2012 Tour route was one of the dullest ever but because it's called 'the Tour de France' people strangely do not seem to notice.


When did we say that the Tour was better? It wasn't. It was awful. And the Giro wasn't very entertaining either. The Vuelta was 10 minutes of action every day with the same outcome bar 1-2 stages. You could literally turn on tour tv 10 minutes before the end and miss absolutely nothing. Is that the way you want the coverage of cycling to be in the future?

The 2012 season was saved by the classics - as it often is.

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Re: Brutal new top-finish in Vuelta 2013

Postby Abdoujaparov » Mon Nov 19, 2012 23:11 pm

ThomThom wrote:
LeicesterLad wrote:People who thought this years Vuelta route was poor are on crack surely? The 2012 Tour route was one of the dullest ever but because it's called 'the Tour de France' people strangely do not seem to notice.


When did we say that the Tour was better? It wasn't. It was awful. And the Giro wasn't very entertaining either. The Vuelta was 10 minutes of action every day with the same outcome bar 1-2 stages. You could literally turn on tour tv 10 minutes before the end and miss absolutely nothing. Is that the way you want the coverage of cycling to be in the future?

The 2012 season was saved by the classics - as it often is.


Can't remember the classics being all that this year. Not like I can remember too much, but in terms of the monuments, I seem to remember LBL had a pretty good edition, PR was boring but impressive, Flanders was a bit dull, Sanremo had a great last ten minutes :wink: and who knows what happened at Lombardia (satellite TV issues). Don't get me wrong, I prefer one dayers to GTs (like most cycling fans), but they were hardly vintage. The Vuelta was pretty good all in all - although Rodriguez's dominance in the uphill sprints got a little samey after a while. But then he didn't win on quite a special day of racing (much as i hate Contador).

In any case, you write all this in the context of of what looks like a great mountain to add to the Vuelta. The riders make the race and all that, but that little hillock looks pretty decent to me. Fair play to the organisers for using it :D

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Re: Brutal new top-finish in Vuelta 2013

Postby mroli » Mon Nov 19, 2012 23:19 pm

I don't think the Tour was boring. I think the riders were. A fully competitive Schleck and Evans would have made it far more interesting, Nibs did what he could, but it needed teams taking it to Sky and no-one dared.

I think that the Vuelta started well, but then it was just as boring as the Tour. Instead of Sky grinding it out, you just waited for J Rod/Alberto/Piti to pop out at the end and sprint up a very steep slope (or Degenkolb to sprint).

By all means put a couple of circus climbs in, but mix it up a little. A little bit for everyone perhaps?


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