Garmin Edge 500 - GPX or TCX file

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Garmin Edge 500 - GPX or TCX file

Postby jonbob78 » Tue Nov 20, 2012 13:11 pm

I'm looking at going out on route which i'm not too familar with which a friend of mine has been out on logged through Strava.

Using http://www.cosmocatalano.com/strava/export/ I can download their route into either GPX or TCX file.

Which am I better off using GPX or TCX.

From what I can make out, one is for routes and one is for courses. I'm not planning on racing using a virtual partner, just making sure I dont get lost of take a wrong turn.

Do I just connect the Garmin to my laptop and drag and drop the respective file into routes/courses?

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Re: Garmin Edge 500 - GPX or TCX file

Postby tiredofwhiners » Tue Nov 20, 2012 17:47 pm

All sorts of ways of doing it and each to their own.

Personally, I use TCX files dragged and dropped into my 705 'courses' directory but if the original data does not contain the right information for turn by turn instructions, I just recreate it in bikeroutetoaster and use the TCX file off that. Its much more reliable although slightly more fiddly.

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Re: Garmin Edge 500 - GPX or TCX file

Postby Gizmodo » Tue Nov 20, 2012 18:05 pm

Please correct me if I am wrong, but GPX file is standard for all GPS devices and contains primarily GPS map points, whereas TCX files are Garmin specific and can contain additional data such as Heart Rate, Cadence, Temperatre etc.

So for purposes of following a course, both are equally as good. TCX just holds more than you will use.

@tiredofwhiners - on my Garmin 800 new route files need to be put in the "garmin\new files" folder, Is it different for the 500/705 models?

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Re: Garmin Edge 500 - GPX or TCX file

Postby MoscowFlyer » Tue Nov 20, 2012 20:35 pm

I use TCX for my 800, I didn't think the 500 did mapping though?

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Re: Garmin Edge 500 - GPX or TCX file

Postby Buckie2k5 » Tue Nov 20, 2012 21:18 pm

MoscowFlyer wrote:I use TCX for my 800, I didn't think the 500 did mapping though?



it has basic follow me route, no map etc

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Re: Garmin Edge 500 - GPX or TCX file

Postby Gizmodo » Tue Nov 20, 2012 22:04 pm

MoscowFlyer wrote:I use TCX for my 800, I didn't think the 500 did mapping though?

As Buckie says, it has a line to follow, see this you tube video from 2 minutes

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Re: Garmin Edge 500 - GPX or TCX file

Postby tiredofwhiners » Wed Nov 21, 2012 09:18 am

Gizmodo wrote:Please correct me if I am wrong, but GPX file is standard for all GPS devices and contains primarily GPS map points, whereas TCX files are Garmin specific and can contain additional data such as Heart Rate, Cadence, Temperatre etc.


My understanding, maybe incorrectly, is that the GPX will point you in the direction of the next waypoint, whereas TCX will contain turn by turn messages at junctions. So at a junction, the TCX will say 'turn left' on the screen whereas the GPX might say the next waypoint is 'that direction' even if the road you need to get there is in the opposite direction.

Gizmodo wrote:@tiredofwhiners - on my Garmin 800 new route files need to be put in the "garmin\new files" folder, Is it different for the 500/705 models?


Not sure to be honest - I haven't got a 800 so cannot comment but on the Garmin menu I get to it via Training/Courses once its in there.

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Re: Garmin Edge 500 - GPX or TCX file

Postby duckson » Wed Nov 21, 2012 09:48 am

You need tcx so it contains the cuesheet information on turns. Although I have been unsuccessful in using a route that has already been done as the cuesheet information is always missing. Best bet is to create a new route in ridewithgps and save it to your PC as a tcx. Make sure you delete any turns you don't want before you do this though. Then import it into bikeroutetoaster and save it again as a tcx but add a 350 feet turn warning. You need to import/export to bikeroutetoaster as ridewithgps doesn't allow warnings before a turn unless you pay for it. I find ridewithgps easier to use for mapping than bike route toaster. Drop the final tcx file into the new files folder on the Garmin. To do it go to courses and pick the course then do course.
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Re: Garmin Edge 500 - GPX or TCX file

Postby drlodge » Wed Nov 21, 2012 10:51 am

I think alot depends on whether you have the required maps loaded on your Garmin as to what turn directions you'll get.

GPX comes in two varieties, track and route. Its a little complicated but essentially tracks are a record of where you've been containing a "breadcrumb trail" of lots of points indicating the way. Routes are "suggestions about where you might go in the future" i.e. way markers with turn directions. Both types should work with your Garmin, I find most gpx files are tracks containing the breadcrumb trail and you'll need the right maps loaded on your garmin for directions to be given, AND you need to turn guidance on for each gpx file before you load it.

I've not play around with TCX files much, one time I managed to get loads of guidance showing, multiple cues for each turn. I'm still trying to understand how all these different files work!
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Re: Garmin Edge 500 - GPX or TCX file

Postby duckson » Wed Nov 21, 2012 11:04 am

There is no mapping function on the 500.
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Re: Garmin Edge 500 - GPX or TCX file

Postby John.T » Wed Nov 21, 2012 17:18 pm

Courses created in ridewithgps.com include a 'cue sheet'. If you export these as 'GPX track' files and drop them into the new files folder (unit or SD card) you will get turn by turn instructions ahead of the turn on an 800. I use various Open Source maps and it works with all of them.

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Re: Garmin Edge 500 - GPX or TCX file

Postby tiredofwhiners » Wed Nov 21, 2012 17:33 pm

drlodge wrote:I think alot depends on whether you have the required maps loaded on your Garmin as to what turn directions you'll get.


Not so, you can get turn by turn instructions on a device with zero mapping capability, if you create the TCX route on a computer. My old 305 will give turn by turn instructions - you just have to lift up the screen close to your face to actually read what it says.

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Re: Garmin Edge 500 - GPX or TCX file

Postby duckson » Wed Nov 21, 2012 18:11 pm

John.T wrote:Courses created in ridewithgps.com include a 'cue sheet'. If you export these as 'GPX track' files and drop them into the new files folder (unit or SD card) you will get turn by turn instructions ahead of the turn on an 800. I use various Open Source maps and it works with all of them.


GPX Track files don't include a cue sheet but with the 800 which has the mapping it will navigate you anyway.
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Re: Garmin Edge 500 - GPX or TCX file

Postby jonbob78 » Thu Nov 22, 2012 15:59 pm

After saving a tcx file on my desk top, I opened up the garmin as a 'USB mass storage device' and dragged and dropped this into courses which when searching for courses wouldn't find. I also dragged and dropped in the 'new' folder, again this didnt pick up.

In the end I uploaded this to Garmin Connect and saved and imported a course this way i think it saved as a tif file??? I'm guessing this wont show me turn by turn notification.

Am I doing something wrong?

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Re: Garmin Edge 500 - GPX or TCX file

Postby ddraver » Thu Nov 22, 2012 16:14 pm

I can't help as I do this differently every time - all I want to add in case anyone for Garmin happens to read this is that all this is so so much harder than it needs to be.

Why can't one just upload a GPX or TCX to Garmin Connect and have it work without all the bullsh1t of having to run it through TCX Convertor or bikeroute toaster (which is brilliant)
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Re: Garmin Edge 500 - GPX or TCX file

Postby duckson » Thu Nov 22, 2012 17:49 pm

jonbob78 wrote:After saving a tcx file on my desk top, I opened up the garmin as a 'USB mass storage device' and dragged and dropped this into courses which when searching for courses wouldn't find. I also dragged and dropped in the 'new' folder, again this didnt pick up.

In the end I uploaded this to Garmin Connect and saved and imported a course this way i think it saved as a tif file??? I'm guessing this wont show me turn by turn notification.

Am I doing something wrong?


You drop any new TCX file into the NewFiles (make sure its "NewFiles" and not just "New") folder and make sure you "eject" the Garmin from Windows safely from the system tray icon.
Go to courses on the Garmin and select the course and pick "Do Course".
When you plug it back in in future the TCX file in the NewFiles folder has disappeared and it now resides in the Courses folder and is a .FIT file.
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Re: Garmin Edge 500 - GPX or TCX file

Postby duckson » Thu Nov 22, 2012 17:50 pm

ddraver wrote:I can't help as I do this differently every time - all I want to add in case anyone for Garmin happens to read this is that all this is so so much harder than it needs to be.

Why can't one just upload a GPX or TCX to Garmin Connect and have it work without all the bullsh1t of having to run it through TCX Convertor or bikeroute toaster (which is brilliant)


Probably because the 500 isn't designed for navigating but this is frig to get it doing so. They arent going to publicise the 500's ability to navigate to some degree as it could take sales away from the 800 which is sold as a sat nav.
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Re: Garmin Edge 500 - GPX or TCX file

Postby ddraver » Thu Nov 22, 2012 20:17 pm

I have an 800 - it's still a pain!

Bikely to Garmin Connect - that's a no no
Bikeroutetoaster to Garmin Connect - that's a no no
singletracks.nl to Garmin Connect - oh you'd better believe that's a no no

Stupid....
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Re: Garmin Edge 500 - GPX or TCX file

Postby Gizmodo » Thu Nov 22, 2012 22:02 pm

ddraver wrote:I have an 800 - it's still a pain!

Bikely to Garmin Connect - that's a no no
Bikeroutetoaster to Garmin Connect - that's a no no
singletracks.nl to Garmin Connect - oh you'd better believe that's a no no

Stupid....

I have an 800 - it's simple

Garmin Connect - works great
Ridewithgps.com - easy and works

I think you'll find it's the web sites you are using, not the Garmin.

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Re: Garmin Edge 500 - GPX or TCX file

Postby ddraver » Thu Nov 22, 2012 22:38 pm

The website is irrelevant. IF it is a GPX file or a TCX file then it should work, and I mean it should work without having to run it through some program or other. Just as I fi download a pdf file from a website it will always open in a pdf reader.

But it never does...I'm just trying it now with mapmyride.com....well whadyaknow...
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