"Hardcore" hardtails

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Re: "Hardcore" hardtails

Postby paulneenan76 » Sat Nov 17, 2012 18:17 pm

Shame you can't demo a couple of others but if you prefer it over a Santa Cruz that's gotta be a bloody good choice right?

Better start thinking colour and spec now :D
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Re: "Hardcore" hardtails

Postby keppy » Sat Nov 17, 2012 22:06 pm

Why not consider something like a Cube Reaction GTC SLT 29er? It weighs a mere 22 lbs and has XT throughout...

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Re: "Hardcore" hardtails

Postby supersonic » Sat Nov 17, 2012 22:30 pm

keppy wrote:Why not consider something like a Cube Reaction GTC SLT 29er? It weighs a mere 22 lbs and has XT throughout...


Not really what he is after though, ie a tough, long travel, relaxed angle hardtail.

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Re: "Hardcore" hardtails

Postby milko9000 » Sun Nov 18, 2012 22:52 pm

Right, the BFe frame I was umming and ahing over has been sold so that helps. Ben, how best to discuss this spec you worked up for me there? :)

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Re: "Hardcore" hardtails

Postby funkywigster » Mon Nov 19, 2012 01:57 am

milko9000 wrote:Right, the BFe frame I was umming and ahing over has been sold so that helps. Ben, how best to discuss this spec you worked up for me there? :)


think i just brought that Bfe (med/green) been riding a ragley mmmbop for the last couple of years
it's been a great bike single ring setup with talas 150 forks bit of a harsh ride but worth considering..
light,strong and quite cheap. hope the Bfe rides aswell as the ragley has :)

,got mmmbop frame for sale too :wink:
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Re: "Hardcore" hardtails

Postby milko9000 » Thu Nov 22, 2012 18:34 pm

Found someone selling a Slackline with not very much use at all. Hng. Change my mind between this and the C456 about twice a day now.

Thinking rather than buying a load of new bits I'll try and donate things like drivetrain from my Yeti and then upgrade on that come the January sales or thereabouts. So would potentially just need forks and a seatpost, I think. And a headset.

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Re: "Hardcore" hardtails

Postby milko9000 » Fri Nov 23, 2012 15:47 pm

Sorry to go on and on (and on) in this thread. I can get a 150mm 2012 Rockshox Rev RLT for about £300 with an olde worlde straight steerer. The tapered equivalent is about £500 at least. Now, the Slackline only takes a straight steerer. The C456 would need a reducer headset of some kind. Should this influence me strongly, d'you think? Either to buy the more expensive fork or just change everything all over again.

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Re: "Hardcore" hardtails

Postby paulneenan76 » Fri Nov 23, 2012 16:22 pm

For the saving, the non tapered steerer is fine. Smoothie mixer headset by On One takes straight or tapered. If you look at eBay, someone has just listed a mint C456 frame with a keen BIN price and also some Revs which also look good. Saving is huge!
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Re: "Hardcore" hardtails

Postby milko9000 » Fri Nov 23, 2012 17:13 pm

interesting... but can't see that on eBay anywhere right now? Perhaps someone snapped it up.

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Re: "Hardcore" hardtails

Postby paulneenan76 » Fri Nov 23, 2012 20:01 pm

milko9000 wrote:interesting... but can't see that on eBay anywhere right now? Perhaps someone snapped it up.


Yep but not surprised it went fast. Forks from the same stiller seem to be still up


Look at this on eBay:

Rockshox Revelation RL Dual Air forks, remote lock out, 1 1/8 steerer

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Re: "Hardcore" hardtails

Postby benpinnick » Fri Nov 23, 2012 20:04 pm

Thats optimistic pricing right there.
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Re: "Hardcore" hardtails

Postby paulneenan76 » Fri Nov 23, 2012 23:57 pm

benpinnick wrote:Thats optimistic pricing right there.


That's as maybe, but I'm sure the seller knows it and is expecting an offer or two. Or the OP could check the classifieds on here.
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Re: "Hardcore" hardtails

Postby milko9000 » Sat Nov 24, 2012 11:01 am

Hmm, for £300 new I'd be tempted to stick with that and get the warranty etc.

Found a Slackline for sale in complete bike form, but its the wrong colour and uses xfusion velvet forks... Tempting still but I don't know much about them. Actually no it's more pricey than I remember. Still might buy that frame though! Must Decide Finally Argh.

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Re: "Hardcore" hardtails

Postby paulneenan76 » Sat Nov 24, 2012 14:50 pm

[quote="milko9000"]Hmm, for £300 new I'd be tempted to stick with that and get the warranty etc.

The pricing quote from me refers to the forks, not the frame, which is £399/499 currently.
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Re: "Hardcore" hardtails

Postby milko9000 » Sat Nov 24, 2012 16:52 pm

Oh, I'm getting confused, thought you were talking about the ebay forks on for £250.

Yes, can get a C456 new for £399. The Slackline I've seen "almost new" at £350.

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Re: "Hardcore" hardtails

Postby Prescient » Mon Nov 26, 2012 13:21 pm

cyd190468 wrote:Really don't get the hard core hard tail thing. How much can you get a trance 29er for? One bike to rule them all!


Your suggestion is a dead giveaway that "you don't get the hardcore hardtail thing" :lol: :lol:

To successfully ride a technical section at speed on a 140/150mm travel hardtail, is a lot more rewarding than a FSer, especially where the average person would need a FSer to achieve it. Some people seem to get them, like me for example.

I often wonder about the demographic of hardcore hardtails though; and whether people who grew up in the era when front suspension was a luxury, never mind having more than 63mm travel, are the ones propping up the market. People who learned to ride the hard stuff without any suspension because it wasn’t available or cost crazy money.

People who were influenced by this video and the rider on the cover…

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Plus they just look sweet……
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Re: "Hardcore" hardtails

Postby paulneenan76 » Mon Nov 26, 2012 13:37 pm

Prescient wrote:
cyd190468 wrote:Really don't get the hard core hard tail thing. How much can you get a trance 29er for? One bike to rule them all!


Your suggestion is a dead giveaway that "you don't get the hardcore hardtail thing" :lol: :lol:

To successfully ride a technical section at speed on a 140/150mm travel hardtail, is a lot more rewarding than a FSer, especially where the average person would need a FSer to achieve it. Some people seem to get them, like me for example.

I often wonder about the demographic of hardcore hardtails though; and whether people who grew up in the era when front suspension was a luxury, never mind having more than 63mm travel, are the ones propping up the market. People who learned to ride the hard stuff without any suspension because it wasn’t available or cost crazy money.

People who were influenced by this video and the rider on the cover…

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Plus they just look sweet……


I'm one of the people you describe - must be an old fart :D

And they do look sweet, not always pretty, granted, but frickin' sweet all the same!
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Re: "Hardcore" hardtails

Postby Prescient » Mon Nov 26, 2012 14:00 pm

paulneenan76 wrote:I'm one of the people you describe - must be an old fart :D

And they do look sweet, not always pretty, granted, but frickin' sweet all the same!


:D :D :D

Yer frickin' sweet


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My assumption was 29ers are for those riders whose wheels never leave the ground……

See quite a few round here now but never one popping a wheelie
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Re: "Hardcore" hardtails

Postby styxd » Tue Nov 27, 2012 00:49 am

Prescient wrote:
cyd190468 wrote:Really don't get the hard core hard tail thing. How much can you get a trance 29er for? One bike to rule them all!


Your suggestion is a dead giveaway that "you don't get the hardcore hardtail thing" :lol: :lol:

To successfully ride a technical section at speed on a 140/150mm travel hardtail, is a lot more rewarding than a FSer, especially where the average person would need a FSer to achieve it. Some people seem to get them, like me for example.

I often wonder about the demographic of hardcore hardtails though; and whether people who grew up in the era when front suspension was a luxury, never mind having more than 63mm travel, are the ones propping up the market. People who learned to ride the hard stuff without any suspension because it wasn’t available or cost crazy money.

People who were influenced by this video and the rider on the cover…

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Plus they just look sweet……


A proper hardcore hardtail right there. With short travel forks (circa 80mm?)

The "hardcore hardtails" these days completely miss the point of riding a hardtail. Bouncing your way down hills with 150mm travel forks, just get a full sus instead!

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Re: "Hardcore" hardtails

Postby Northwind » Tue Nov 27, 2012 01:20 am

Been through a few of these lately...

Soul- stunning bike, but I sold it for being a bit allroundery. Proper masterpiece.
BFe- seemed to lack what made the Soul so special, without really gaining a lot.
Mmmbop- superb geometry, too stiff- made it a handful in anything rocky and I got fed up of having to be always so on top of it. Fine when I was enjoying it but it made bad days worse.
C456- a bit meh. Capable, competent, but never once was it inspirational. Something not right about the handling, somehow feels longer than it is and kind of clumsy, but also not a great climber. Slacked it off eventually which made it better but still, close but no cigar. Finish was terrible.
Ragley Ti. What I wanted in the first place, and should have bought a year ago. All the best parts of the Bop with all the inspirational lively up-for-it feeling of the Soul. Not easy to find though, but I paid less than the cost of a new Chameleon for mine. So far, not even the slightest regret.
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