Training has gone up the spout

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Training has gone up the spout

Postby Nick Fitt » Tue Nov 27, 2012 12:31 pm

Well I thought I was doing OK, but the last week or two has been horrific. Anyone training outdoors through this weather front?

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Re: Training has gone up the spout

Postby danowat » Tue Nov 27, 2012 12:42 pm

Yes, one day off the bike in November (so far), although I think we have been fairly lucky with the weather, only a bit of wind and rain here.

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Re: Training has gone up the spout

Postby okgo » Tue Nov 27, 2012 13:32 pm

Today my 7th day off in November. Haven't really started 'training' yet anyway. Nearly 4 months till the race season starts, long time that. And that is if I don't get bored and race through winter again which I might.
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Re: Training has gone up the spout

Postby danowat » Tue Nov 27, 2012 13:43 pm

My training for 2013 started a week after my last race in 2012..........

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Re: Training has gone up the spout

Postby okgo » Tue Nov 27, 2012 13:49 pm

I suppose it depends on what your riding is like when you're not 'training'.

Also depends on your goals I reckon, so your goals as a TT rider will be different to mine as a road racer, and it will take you longer to perhaps build your FTP than it will me to lose a few pounds and get a few weeks of intervals in before the start of the season...
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Re: Training has gone up the spout

Postby danowat » Tue Nov 27, 2012 13:56 pm

All my cycling is training, I don't cycle for "fun" (as many others do) I cycle to compete, without competition I wouldn't cycle.

So yes, I guess I am a bit of an anomily.

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Re: Training has gone up the spout

Postby okgo » Tue Nov 27, 2012 14:06 pm

I'm with you on that.
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Re: Training has gone up the spout

Postby disgruntledgoat » Tue Nov 27, 2012 14:58 pm

Not missed a day so far.

Mind you with 3x 1 hour on the turbo and a 2.5-3 hour ride saturday and sunday, you'd be worried if you couldn't stick to that!
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Re: Training has gone up the spout

Postby amaferanga » Wed Nov 28, 2012 15:15 pm

danowat wrote:All my cycling is training, I don't cycle for "fun" (as many others do) I cycle to compete, without competition I wouldn't cycle.

So yes, I guess I am a bit of an anomily.


A professional amateur then? :wink:
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Re: Training has gone up the spout

Postby danowat » Wed Nov 28, 2012 15:21 pm

An amateur amateur at best :P

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Re: Training has gone up the spout

Postby BeauMaximus » Wed Nov 28, 2012 20:17 pm

A bit of an eye opener how much some of you ride/train.
This summer, I was in my best shape ever and seemed to be able to maintain it on an interclub 10 TT on Thursday, a 3 hr ride on s Sunday and sometimes an hours hilly blast on a Tuesday eve.
Soon dropped away though after i throttled back to a ride a fortnight through sept/oct after my 12hr.
Started back to a weekly club turbo session and the Sunday ride This month, hoping to go up a level again in fitness next summer before tackling the tour du mont blanc.

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Re: Training has gone up the spout

Postby SBezza » Thu Nov 29, 2012 09:40 am

I wouldn't worry about a few days lost to the weather, though if it is that bad I just get on the turbo instead. Luckily in the East of the country we have had it a bit easier with the really bad weather. Probably lose more days with the cold in the next few months I would suspect.

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Re: Training has gone up the spout

Postby ju5t1n » Thu Nov 29, 2012 10:00 am

I’ve had a good couple of weeks, with 10hrs+ on the road
When it wasn’t actually raining the weather’s been quite nice
I may even race on Saturday, the forecast is for sunshine!

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Re: Training has gone up the spout

Postby okgo » Thu Nov 29, 2012 10:02 am

Yeh, but there's riding the bike, and then there's training isn't there. I've ridden the bike for 11 hours average every single week for the last year (according to Strava), but most of that I would wager is totally wasted :)
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Re: Training has gone up the spout

Postby Rodrego Hernandez » Thu Nov 29, 2012 10:08 am

danowat wrote:An amateur amateur at best :P



If your training for 2013 started a week after your last race of 2012 then your training more than most pros!

Maybe you're overtrained if you still see yourself as an amateur amateur?

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Re: Training has gone up the spout

Postby SBezza » Thu Nov 29, 2012 10:23 am

Rodrego Hernandez wrote:
danowat wrote:An amateur amateur at best :P



If your training for 2013 started a week after your last race of 2012 then your training more than most pros!

Maybe you're overtrained if you still see yourself as an amateur amateur?


Most pro's will train 20+ hours a week, no amateur can out train a pro. I didn't really stop training, no real need for a part time cyclist IMO, I had 2 weeks of doing whatever I wanted off plan more to recharge mentally, but I still rode my bike everyday during this time, and did training as part of it.

Maybe people are amateurs by nature of their physical limitations rather than time limitations, not everyone has the ability of a pro rider. There is no way I would ever put out 450 watts for an hour like Wiggo, no matter how hard or how many hours I trained, hence I would never be a pro (bit too old for that now anyhow).

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Re: Training has gone up the spout

Postby okgo » Thu Nov 29, 2012 10:26 am

Rodrego Hernandez wrote:
danowat wrote:An amateur amateur at best :P



If your training for 2013 started a week after your last race of 2012 then your training more than most pros!

Maybe you're overtrained if you still see yourself as an amateur amateur?


I would seriously doubt he is training more than any pros', he might be riding more days at the minute than some, but they certainly will do far more training than the vast majority of amateurs, if you have a full time job its just not possible to ride 40 hours a week, which I am sure a lot of pro's will be approaching. I know Elite riders that have very part time jobs and they get in 25-30 hours a week.

As for amateur amateur, suppose that depends, having seen his times he's not that bad :D

Regards the ability, I was chatting about this with a chap I know, and he said its quite hard to know where your limit lies in terms of power, it would be great ( I read this on the tt forum) if you could plug yourself in and see what you could get to on 10-20 hours a week :D

There are amateur riders that are very talented though, especially in the TT scene (as you can't hide in a bunch) to go VERY quickly you need to produce the watts and get a good position, and there are some very impressive riders out there with full time jobs.
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Re: Training has gone up the spout

Postby danowat » Thu Nov 29, 2012 10:50 am

Rodrego Hernandez wrote:
danowat wrote:An amateur amateur at best :P



If your training for 2013 started a week after your last race of 2012 then your training more than most pros!

Maybe you're overtrained if you still see yourself as an amateur amateur?


Over trained? doubtfull, I rarely do more than 15hr's a week.

The reasons I am still an amateur amateur are simply because 2010 was the first time I got on a bike, 2011 was the first time I raced, and 2013 will only be my third season, that and the fact I am quite a lump, I have a lot of work to do to raise my FTP to a level where I can be more competative.

I managed to exceed 22mph avg in the BBAR this year, and my training is pretty much wholey focused to improving on this in 2013, you can't "race" long TT's without putting in the training, and I really can't see the point of doing months and months of pottling around the lanes, or taking it easy, when I can be putting those hours to a better use.

I'm not a bad rider, there are lots slower than me, but there are also lots faster than me, but to be the best I can, it means I have to put in the graft, I am not an atheletically gifted rider, and a lot of riders have had a LOT of years riding, when I haven't.

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Re: Training has gone up the spout

Postby okgo » Thu Nov 29, 2012 11:02 am

Would be interested to know what difference time makes, I've also been riding one year, and am at a level where I should be able to go sub 20 next year (talking your language here) on a quick course as my power stands right now, but when does another year of riding become beneficial, and when does experience just become time recycled? As they say about people in industry, sometimes someone who has been in the game has 10 years to his name, but its actually 2 years solid experience repeated 5 times...
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Re: Training has gone up the spout

Postby SBezza » Thu Nov 29, 2012 11:07 am

danowat wrote:Over trained? doubtfull, I rarely do more than 15hr's a week.


Danny, hours on the bike is not an indication of whether you can get overtrained or not, I know of guys who have become overtrained on 6-8 hours a week. If they have a real demanding job/family life/or other stresses and then hammer themselves silly in that available training time it is very possible to overtrain, the body can only deal with so much stress, and it can't tell the difference between life stresses and training stress.

Hence what I said on the TTF, training harder without thinking about the training might not be the correct thing to do (but that is another story).


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