Rose Xeon CRS 3000 Vs Canyon Ultimate CF

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Rose Xeon CRS 3000 Vs Canyon Ultimate CF

Postby daveyruthers » Thu Nov 29, 2012 13:05 pm

Was just after peoples thoughts about which is the better to go for. The Rose is slightly more expensive however seems really light and has internal cable routing. I cant seem to find many reviews on the Rose and dont know anyone who has one.
Never bought a bike mail order before so would like to know if its worth the risk.
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Re: Rose Xeon CRS 3000 Vs Canyon Ultimate CF

Postby nunowoolmez » Thu Nov 29, 2012 13:17 pm

I don't think internal cable routing is one of the tick boxrs you need when deciding on a bike. Sizing, frame quality, standard of components & wheels & price. Do a google search on reviews for each bike & you can always use the search facility on here too. I have recently recieved my Ultimate CF frameset & am well pleased. Deluvery & overall service was faultless & Conrad the UK customer services chap was very helpful & informative. Canyon are pretty much best VFM bikes. Quite a few on here have one & love them. Don't know much about Rose, but they are German so will be pretty good. Get the Canyon, they are sweet!

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Re: Rose Xeon CRS 3000 Vs Canyon Ultimate CF

Postby daveyruthers » Thu Nov 29, 2012 13:25 pm

I take your point about the cable routing, its just that the bikes have pretty much the same spec. The only difference between two is the internal routing and the rose is marginally lighter. I am nervous about spending loads of wedge and the bike not fitting. I have tried to contact Canyon quite a bit on the london number but never seem to get an answer!
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Re: Rose Xeon CRS 3000 Vs Canyon Ultimate CF

Postby shamrock134 » Thu Nov 29, 2012 13:33 pm

I was faced with a similar decision last year. In the end I went for a Rose due to them actually having stock and also because you could customise the spec to a certain degree meaning my bike is a little bit different to the stock config.

My personal experience of Rose is that they provide excellent customer service, although I expect Canyon would have similar German efficiency.

Sizing was not such a big problem for me as I would have got the smallest option for either manufacturer. From what I've read their online size calculators seem to be pretty accurate.

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Re: Rose Xeon CRS 3000 Vs Canyon Ultimate CF

Postby nunowoolmez » Thu Nov 29, 2012 13:43 pm

Email them, they never pick up the phone.

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Re: Rose Xeon CRS 3000 Vs Canyon Ultimate CF

Postby daveyruthers » Thu Nov 29, 2012 14:46 pm

Does anyone have either of the bikes to help me out? Much appreciated.

Emailed Canyon awaiting response.
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Re: Rose Xeon CRS 3000 Vs Canyon Ultimate CF

Postby Shark Sandwich » Thu Nov 29, 2012 15:32 pm

I received my CRS 3100 last week. Only put a few miles on it but I have zero regrets so far. I upgraded from an Allez and its obviously going to be step up. I have hear criticism that it isn't very comfy compared to other frames. But I haven't had any issues, maybe I will feel it after a longer ride.

I love the design. For me personally, swoopy/curvy frames are a bit ugly. This has a more 'traditional' look to it. Straight tubes no fancy bits etc.
Price wise I haven't seen much that can compete with the Spec: Ultegra Di2, Ksyrium elites, Pro logo saddle and 3t finishing Kit. for under £1900. There is literally no cost cutting. Even the chain is Ultegra.

Rose service is amazing, they responded to all emails within minutes. I would not use their Frame size calculator however. I think I would have ended up with a frame that too small if I had.

The bike will take about month to turn up, so be prepared for a wait. Mine turned up in perfect condition and really well set up. Parcel force handle the UK delivery and they are s**t though. Lost about a week of time waiting for them to sort themselves out. And obviously any issues with the frame will take a long time to sort out even with warranty.

Longer run this weekend hopefully! If you have any questions let me know.

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Re: Rose Xeon CRS 3000 Vs Canyon Ultimate CF

Postby jamienorton » Thu Nov 29, 2012 15:58 pm

You probably cant go too wrong with either. i personally have a Rose Cross Pro, as stated above the service from Rose was fantastic, if you do go for the Rose remember to sign up for the vip program, you will get a good amount of points to spend on other goodys.

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Re: Rose Xeon CRS 3000 Vs Canyon Ultimate CF

Postby daveyruthers » Thu Nov 29, 2012 21:06 pm

Just been comparing the spec of the two and they are identical apart from the VCLS seat post. Think the clean lines of the Rose do it for me and the internal routing.

How did you manage to get the 3100 for £1900??????
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Re: Rose Xeon CRS 3000 Vs Canyon Ultimate CF

Postby rando » Thu Nov 29, 2012 21:30 pm

daveyruthers wrote:Just been comparing the spec of the two and they are identical apart from the VCLS seat post. Think the clean lines of the Rose do it for me and the internal routing.

How did you manage to get the 3100 for £1900??????


Quick look on Rose site - This is a 2012 model though and only a few left.
http://www.rosebikes.co.uk/article/rose ... aid:557069

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Re: Rose Xeon CRS 3000 Vs Canyon Ultimate CF

Postby Shark Sandwich » Thu Nov 29, 2012 23:44 pm

rando wrote:
daveyruthers wrote:Just been comparing the spec of the two and they are identical apart from the VCLS seat post. Think the clean lines of the Rose do it for me and the internal routing.

How did you manage to get the 3100 for £1900??????


Quick look on Rose site - This is a 2012 model though and only a few left.
http://www.rosebikes.co.uk/article/rose ... aid:557069



Thats the one. I may be wrong but I dont think they have updated the frame. Just a fresh paint job and a few tweaks to the spec (all stuff that you can change in the Configurator)

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Re: Rose Xeon CRS 3000 Vs Canyon Ultimate CF

Postby daveyruthers » Fri Nov 30, 2012 09:07 am

What's the score with the bigger back tyre? Can you change this down to a 23 to match the front or does it not make any difference anyway?

I am quite tempted by the 2012 3000 only £1500!!
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Re: Rose Xeon CRS 3000 Vs Canyon Ultimate CF

Postby rando » Fri Nov 30, 2012 09:38 am

I can't decide between the Xeon CRS 3000 or the Xeon RS3000 which is the alu frame version but much cheaper at £1270. Spoke with Rose and they thought the RS3000 was just as good a ride as the CRS (but then probably they would if they thought I might buy one).

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Re: Rose Xeon CRS 3000 Vs Canyon Ultimate CF

Postby daveyruthers » Fri Nov 30, 2012 10:27 am

Is it comfortable? Bike radar review seems to suggest its a bad ride
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Re: Rose Xeon CRS 3000 Vs Canyon Ultimate CF

Postby rando » Fri Nov 30, 2012 10:39 am

daveyruthers wrote:Is it comfortable? Bike radar review seems to suggest its a bad ride


Do you mean the Xeon RS ? If so then I personally don't know but Rose seem to suggest it was (sales talk ?). Like you I have read reviews that state both the Xeon CRS & RS are not that comfortable but then the Rose Pro bikes in both carbon & alu get decent reviews for comfort. Suppose it is such an individual thing that until you try the bike you won't know but unfortunately with Rose & Canyon a test ride is not possible.

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Re: Rose Xeon CRS 3000 Vs Canyon Ultimate CF

Postby shamrock134 » Fri Nov 30, 2012 10:45 am

I don't have any comfort problems with my Xeon CRS-5000, but then I don't have much to compare it against other than my steel framed s/s commuter and my alu framed, carbon fork hybrid which got nicked. The ride is definitely better than both of those.

I quite like the Conti Force & Attack arrangement of 24mm rear and 22mm front, but again I can't make any comparisons to 23/23 or 25/25.

I don't think you'd regret taking the plunge on either a Rose or Canyon.

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Re: Rose Xeon CRS 3000 Vs Canyon Ultimate CF

Postby jamienorton » Fri Nov 30, 2012 15:15 pm

Damn, Rose just sent me another new catalog, mmm disk brake equipped road bikes for a reasonable price, not to sure on some of the new paintjobs though

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Re: Rose Xeon CRS 3000 Vs Canyon Ultimate CF

Postby daveyruthers » Fri Nov 30, 2012 17:57 pm

does anyone know where the rose frames are made?
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Re: Rose Xeon CRS 3000 Vs Canyon Ultimate CF

Postby Shark Sandwich » Fri Nov 30, 2012 21:59 pm

rando wrote:I can't decide between the Xeon CRS 3000 or the Xeon RS3000 which is the alu frame version but much cheaper at £1270. Spoke with Rose and they thought the RS3000 was just as good a ride as the CRS (but then probably they would if they thought I might buy one).


I think in this situation the answer is go with your gut!

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Re: Rose Xeon CRS 3000 Vs Canyon Ultimate CF

Postby rando » Fri Nov 30, 2012 22:03 pm

Shark Sandwich wrote:
rando wrote:I can't decide between the Xeon CRS 3000 or the Xeon RS3000 which is the alu frame version but much cheaper at £1270. Spoke with Rose and they thought the RS3000 was just as good a ride as the CRS (but then probably they would if they thought I might buy one).


I think in this situation the answer is go with your gut!


Unfortunately I can't lose my gut so it has to come with me. :oops:


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