Independent Commission - UCI and Armstrong

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Independent Commission - UCI and Armstrong

Postby Richmond Racer » Fri Nov 30, 2012 11:11 am

The Independent Commission to look into the Armstrong business, has been named by the UCI:

http://www.uci.ch/Modules/ENews/ENewsDe ... LangId%3D1

http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/13403 ... rence.aspx


Sir Philip Otton - former Court of Appeal judge
Malcolm Holmes, QC
Tanni Grey-Thompson


Have to say, after all of 30 seconds thinking about this...this is more promising...lots of people arent going to like this but its just possible that the UCI have played a blinder

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Re: Independent Commission - UCI and Armstrong

Postby Slim Boy Fat » Fri Nov 30, 2012 11:25 am

Wow, bit of a surprise that. On the face of it seems like you could put a lot of faith in those three to do a good job.

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Re: Independent Commission - UCI and Armstrong

Postby Richmond Racer » Fri Nov 30, 2012 11:28 am

Indeed.

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Re: Independent Commission - UCI and Armstrong

Postby disgruntledgoat » Fri Nov 30, 2012 11:38 am

I hope Tanni Grey Thompson has boned up her cycling knowledge since the Olympics...
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Re: Independent Commission - UCI and Armstrong

Postby ddraver » Fri Nov 30, 2012 11:38 am

Sugar...Really?

Wow, they might actually be learning!
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Re: Independent Commission - UCI and Armstrong

Postby Richmond Racer » Fri Nov 30, 2012 11:44 am

disgruntledgoat wrote:I hope Tanni Grey Thompson has boned up her cycling knowledge since the Olympics...



Far better that its actually someone with bugger all knowledge of the sport, if you ask me. But...at least she's good on a set of wheels :)

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Re: Independent Commission - UCI and Armstrong

Postby RichN95 » Fri Nov 30, 2012 11:49 am

A judge and a QC the UCI can easily handle. But an opinionated Cardiff woman? They're screwed.
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Re: Independent Commission - UCI and Armstrong

Postby iainf72 » Fri Nov 30, 2012 12:07 pm

I'm surprised they don't have an accountant
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Re: Independent Commission - UCI and Armstrong

Postby Coriander » Fri Nov 30, 2012 12:11 pm

Any ideas on why they're all British?

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Re: Independent Commission - UCI and Armstrong

Postby Richmond Racer » Fri Nov 30, 2012 12:14 pm

Coriander wrote:Any ideas on why they're all British?



They're not. Malcolm Holmes is Aussie - he's President of ASADA.
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Re: Independent Commission - UCI and Armstrong

Postby Coriander » Fri Nov 30, 2012 12:15 pm

Richmond Racer wrote:
Coriander wrote:Any ideas on why they're all British?



They're not. Malcolm Holmes is Aussie.



Aaah, my bad, I just saw his name and that he was a QC and assumed.

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Re: Independent Commission - UCI and Armstrong

Postby LangerDan » Fri Nov 30, 2012 12:24 pm

I can understand the selection of Otton and Holmes, but what is Grey-Thompsons relevant background for this? Has she "previous" with review bodies - looking at her website it seems she's not "legal", medical or ,as Iainf has pointed out, an accountant.

Just curious.
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Re: Independent Commission - UCI and Armstrong

Postby Slim Boy Fat » Fri Nov 30, 2012 12:25 pm

LangerDan wrote:I can understand the selection of Otton and Holmes, but what is Grey-Thompsons relevant background for this? Has she "previous" with review bodies - looking at her website it seems she's not "legal", medical or ,as Iainf has pointed out, an accountant.

Just curious.

A top class athlete in the past and will have lots of dealings with all parties who are involved in a sport?

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Re: Independent Commission - UCI and Armstrong

Postby Richmond Racer » Fri Nov 30, 2012 12:35 pm

Slim Boy Fat wrote:
LangerDan wrote:I can understand the selection of Otton and Holmes, but what is Grey-Thompsons relevant background for this? Has she "previous" with review bodies - looking at her website it seems she's not "legal", medical or ,as Iainf has pointed out, an accountant.

Just curious.

A top class athlete in the past and will have lots of dealings with all parties who are involved in a sport?


She's also been involved in a lot of different review aspects of sport including anti-doping, over the years since retiring from competition. For example in 2009 UKA published the recommendations from a 6 month anti-doping review she conducted (with panel) - and which they implemented.

http://www.uka.org.uk/governance/anti-doping-review/

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Re: Independent Commission - UCI and Armstrong

Postby BillyMansell » Fri Nov 30, 2012 12:42 pm

Slim Boy Fat wrote:
LangerDan wrote:I can understand the selection of Otton and Holmes, but what is Grey-Thompsons relevant background for this? Has she "previous" with review bodies - looking at her website it seems she's not "legal", medical or ,as Iainf has pointed out, an accountant.

Just curious.

A top class athlete in the past and will have lots of dealings with all parties who are involved in a sport?

Agreed. An athlete who has not doped and is anti-doping makes sense in a tri-partate arrangement. Other than the Lord God Chris Boardman I can't think of anyone better. :lol:

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Re: Independent Commission - UCI and Armstrong

Postby nathancom » Fri Nov 30, 2012 12:47 pm

Holmes and Otton both work out of the same chambers specialising in Arbitration and Mediation. Not sure why this expertise has been chosen to investigate corp governance.

It suggests they are looking more at reconciliation of all interested parties, less at reform of the current structures in place.

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Re: Independent Commission - UCI and Armstrong

Postby iainf72 » Fri Nov 30, 2012 12:55 pm

We need to ask ourselves what the aim of this thing is - It's not really an anti-doping discussion, it's more to look at the UCI's role in the whole thing. In the reasoned decision, the UCI didn't actually come out of it that badly. Probably because there wasn't a whole lot of concrete stuff other than "Lance told Tyler he paid off the UCI". But all that proves is Lance said he did it and it's not like he's got a great track record for being straight.
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Re: Independent Commission - UCI and Armstrong

Postby Richmond Racer » Fri Nov 30, 2012 13:03 pm

nathancom wrote:Holmes and Otton both work out of the same chambers specialising in Arbitration and Mediation. Not sure why this expertise has been chosen to investigate corp governance.

It suggests they are looking more at reconciliation of all interested parties, less at reform of the current structures in place.



Not necessarily so. Just because they have an area of legal specialism in arbitration doesnt mean that the approach is getting all parties in a room together and looking for everyone to play nicely going forward.

The 3 of them including TG-T have drafted their Terms of Reference, and their mandate is to deliver against them. The general theme of the TOR is review, conclude and produce recommendations.

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Re: Independent Commission - UCI and Armstrong

Postby rebs » Fri Nov 30, 2012 14:29 pm

I'm more interested in the grounds of the exact breif they will be given by the UCI. It's entirerly possible that it is independent. Especially if certainly topics or avenue of where things could lead to are out of bounds.

I'm still fairly cynical of the results or impact this will actually have.

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Re: Independent Commission - UCI and Armstrong

Postby ChrisAOnABike » Fri Nov 30, 2012 14:40 pm

rebs wrote:I'm still fairly cynical of the results or impact this will actually have.

There's plenty of time for documents to be shredded and emails to be deleted.
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