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Hand built wheels?

Postby Hanners » Sun Dec 02, 2012 22:04 pm

I have just built up a Genesis Equilibrium and need a set of winter/ all round wheels and fancy going down the hand built route but dont know what i need? (rims, spokes or hubs)
I have a set of Kysrium sl for summer and a set of cosmic sl for tting/ posing

i weigh 68 - 72 kg( depending on how lazy ive been)

Any advice welcome
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Re: Hand built wheels?

Postby Monty Dog » Sun Dec 02, 2012 22:20 pm

Try contacting Ugo Santalucia on this forum or look at someone like Wheelsmith.co.uk.
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Re: Hand built wheels?

Postby ricky1980 » Sun Dec 02, 2012 23:50 pm

Ugo (paolo) is very knowledgeable he has help me out speccing a set of custom wheels. He will advice on everything from hub to rim (depend on what style you want) and he will also let you know what length spokes required based on lacing patterns......... I am getting parts together so he can built it. He even helped me with where is the best to source parts.

all in all get in touch and have a chat with him
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Re: Hand built wheels?

Postby Bikeit65 » Mon Dec 03, 2012 00:40 am

If you are looking for hand built wheels look no further the Ugo Santalucia, the man is a master wheel builder with the patience of a saint, 10 /10
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Re: Hand built wheels?

Postby jonomc4 » Mon Dec 03, 2012 05:23 am

Bikeit65 wrote:If you are looking for hand built wheels look no further the Ugo Santalucia, the man is a master wheel builder the the patience of a saint, 10 /10


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Re: Hand built wheels?

Postby ugo.santalucia » Mon Dec 03, 2012 11:01 am

If they are training wheels, even if you are light, stick to a 32 H fit and forget wheelset.
A rim that would look fantastic and ride like a dream on a steel genesis is the H plus Son TB14, bit more expensive than the usual suspects (Open PRO etc) but it offers wider bed for large tyres, small tyres, you can run lower pressures... someone like you could run 23 mm tyres at 85-90 PSI or 25 mm at 80-85 PSI... it's quite an experience, coming from the Ksyrium... it's a bit like leaving the Subaru Impreza at home and driving the Range Rover instead... when you hit the bumpy lanes you just crave for more crap tarmac, as you glide over it...

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Re: Hand built wheels?

Postby on-yer-bike » Mon Dec 03, 2012 19:54 pm

^^ How about the Archetype you recommended to me?
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Re: Hand built wheels?

Postby ugo.santalucia » Mon Dec 03, 2012 19:59 pm

on-yer-bike wrote:^^ How about the Archetype you recommended to me?


As well... They are both fantastic rims... The TB 14 look more like rims did 20 years ago... They look like clincher Nemesis... The Archetype is a more modern design

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Re: Hand built wheels?

Postby on-yer-bike » Mon Dec 03, 2012 22:34 pm

Interestingly, the Archetype although deeper is lighter. I see Wheelsmith also sell a clincher 'nemisis'. Ambrosio missed a trick there. As a purist does it bother you that H+Son are made in China?
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Re: Hand built wheels?

Postby ugo.santalucia » Tue Dec 04, 2012 09:56 am

on-yer-bike wrote:Interestingly, the Archetype although deeper is lighter. I see Wheelsmith also sell a clincher 'nemisis'. Ambrosio missed a trick there. As a purist does it bother you that H+Son are made in China?


No, it doesn't bother me at all. They are well made and that's good enough for me. As they are priced higher than the competition, one can assume that given the lower cost of labour, the quality is well superior? They certainly are built very well... no defects, no flaws, invisible weld, perfect machining of the holes... the opposite of Kinlin...

Ambrosio has a wide range of clincher rims, which in fairness are various names for essentially the same thing. They are not the most dynamic company and their products have been around for ages.
If you want the Nemesis, get the nemesis... if they don't say Nemesis "la reine du nord", they are not nemesis, but just lookalike. At that point I would go for the TB14...they also look like Nemesis, but they have their own identity... if you know what I mean

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Re: Hand built wheels?

Postby Coach H » Tue Dec 04, 2012 10:41 am

IMHO the clincher Nemesis is all about having an Ambrosio box section rim with the brass counterweight at the valve hole for "the look"
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Re: Hand built wheels?

Postby Asprilla » Tue Dec 04, 2012 10:44 am

I've got two pairs of Archetypes; one is on Chris King R45s and I've got a polished silver set I'm about to put on some Royce hubs.

They are really lovely rims and I'm sold on the whole wide rim thing. Be aware that the anodising on the brake track will come off as soon as you start using them but it doesn't spoil the aesthetic.

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Re: Hand built wheels?

Postby ugo.santalucia » Tue Dec 04, 2012 11:09 am

Coach H wrote:IMHO the clincher Nemesis is all about having an Ambrosio box section rim with the brass counterweight at the valve hole for "the look"


The Ambrosio box section clincher rim with the counterweight is called "Excellence". I frankly don't know anything about these alleged Ambrosio Nemesis clinchers... are they Ambrosio? If they are the Ambrosio logo should be on them, otherwise they are not.
In my books there is only one Nemesis and it is a tubular rim... it looks like this

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Re: Hand built wheels?

Postby Coach H » Tue Dec 04, 2012 11:24 am

ugo.santalucia wrote:
Coach H wrote:IMHO the clincher Nemesis is all about having an Ambrosio box section rim with the brass counterweight at the valve hole for "the look"


The Ambrosio box section clincher rim with the counterweight is called "Excellence". I frankly don't know anything about these alleged Ambrosio Nemesis clinchers... are they Ambrosio? If they are the Ambrosio logo should be on them, otherwise they are not.
In my books there is only one Nemesis and it is a tubular rim... it looks like this

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I know but the finish on the Excellence is not as nice IMHO. There is no sense here its all about "the look" :roll: :lol:
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Re: Hand built wheels?

Postby ugo.santalucia » Tue Dec 04, 2012 12:01 pm

Coach H wrote:
ugo.santalucia wrote:
Coach H wrote:IMHO the clincher Nemesis is all about having an Ambrosio box section rim with the brass counterweight at the valve hole for "the look"


The Ambrosio box section clincher rim with the counterweight is called "Excellence". I frankly don't know anything about these alleged Ambrosio Nemesis clinchers... are they Ambrosio? If they are the Ambrosio logo should be on them, otherwise they are not.
In my books there is only one Nemesis and it is a tubular rim... it looks like this

Image


I know but the finish on the Excellence is not as nice IMHO. There is no sense here its all about "the look" :roll: :lol:


I perfectly understand... i built myself a set of Nemesis as I did like the rims and the "Reine du Nord" etched logo... my annual visit to the Flanders could with any rim, in fairness... I simply liked the look of them... the fact that the tubulars ride is amazing came as a consequence. However, I would have never compromised for a clincher version of the same... it's just not the same thing and you know it... it's a compromise to ride clinchers... but they won't be nearly as strong, they won't have such a beautiful ride and most importantly, they don't have the "reine du nord" etched... hence they are completely pointless, if what you want are the nemesis

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If you want clinchers with that look and a nice ride get the TB14... they look amazing, ride very well for a clincher and at least you are not going around with fakes...

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Re: Hand built wheels?

Postby Hanners » Tue Dec 04, 2012 12:18 pm

I'm liking the tb14, i think they deliver what i am looking for

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Re: Hand built wheels?

Postby Coach H » Tue Dec 04, 2012 13:09 pm

ugo.santalucia wrote:
Coach H wrote:
ugo.santalucia wrote:
Coach H wrote:IMHO the clincher Nemesis is all about having an Ambrosio box section rim with the brass counterweight at the valve hole for "the look"


The Ambrosio box section clincher rim with the counterweight is called "Excellence". I frankly don't know anything about these alleged Ambrosio Nemesis clinchers... are they Ambrosio? If they are the Ambrosio logo should be on them, otherwise they are not.
In my books there is only one Nemesis and it is a tubular rim... it looks like this

Image


I know but the finish on the Excellence is not as nice IMHO. There is no sense here its all about "the look" :roll: :lol:


I perfectly understand... i built myself a set of Nemesis as I did like the rims and the "Reine du Nord" etched logo... my annual visit to the Flanders could with any rim, in fairness... I simply liked the look of them... the fact that the tubulars ride is amazing came as a consequence. However, I would have never compromised for a clincher version of the same... it's just not the same thing and you know it... it's a compromise to ride clinchers... but they won't be nearly as strong, they won't have such a beautiful ride and most importantly, they don't have the "reine du nord" etched... hence they are completely pointless, if what you want are the nemesis

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If you want clinchers with that look and a nice ride get the TB14... they look amazing, ride very well for a clincher and at least you are not going around with fakes...


Ugo, you have cut me to the quick with your harsh, but ultimately correct, assessment of my (bike) vanity. :lol:
You didn't manage to sway me with the sense in your argument when trying to convince me of the virtues of handbuilts (at a very good price by the way if you are considering some of Ugo's work :wink: ) versus Ksyrium Elites and you will not win me over with this talk of tubs and Nemesis rims over clinchers (even though you are correct again). :lol:
Perhaps we can continue this in greater detail when my factory built winter wheels (Campag Vento's) give up the ghost, or a spoke, although I have assured the wife that this will not be for another 20 years at least! :wink:

Sorry Hanners for highjacking your thread :D
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Re: Hand built wheels?

Postby Coach H » Tue Dec 04, 2012 13:15 pm

Hanners wrote:I'm liking the tb14, i think they deliver what i am looking for


Regardless of the other rubbish I have been blathering on about, I concur that the tb14's look pretty nice :D
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Re: Hand built wheels?

Postby antonyfromoz » Wed Dec 05, 2012 11:40 am

Does anyone know what the differences are between the Archetype rims which I understand are used on the Wheelsmith Race 23 wheels as well as some Strada wheels and the Velocity A 23 rims? Not just the physical differences but the ride qualities/quality differences would be good to know...

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Re: Hand built wheels?

Postby ugo.santalucia » Wed Dec 05, 2012 13:46 pm

antonyfromoz wrote:Does anyone know what the differences are between the Archetype rims which I understand are used on the Wheelsmith Race 23 wheels as well as some Strada wheels and the Velocity A 23 rims? Not just the physical differences but the ride qualities/quality differences would be good to know...


I could tell you that there is virtually no difference or I could come up with a lot of gibberish to hype very little differences.

The real difference is one is 30 grams heavier, a little higher and a touch stiffer than the other


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