Carbon 456 owners pictures and spec

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Re: Carbon 456 owners pictures and spec

Postby eebygum » Mon Dec 03, 2012 21:52 pm

Portrush Philly wrote:Matte Carbon 456, 20'', El Diablo

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RS Reba SL
Mavic Crossrides
Conti Mountain King (now 2.4's)
Truvati Carbon Noir XC Chainset
Sram XO carbon Shifters
Sram XO carbon rear mech
Sram X9 front mech
Sram 990 red Cassette
Sram 991 Chain
Carbon stroker F&R disc brakes
FSA K-Force Carbon XC bars
FSA Carbon seatpost
Selle Italia Ti Flite saddle
Hope Red seat clamp
Hope black Headset
Crank Bros Eggbeater SL pedals
Thomson elite 4x stem
Peaty grips
Superstar carbon QR's

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Nice build, how much does she weigh? I''m betting sub 25 :)

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Re: Carbon 456 owners pictures and spec

Postby paulneenan76 » Mon Dec 03, 2012 22:31 pm

70\'sPenguin wrote:Im going to be stoned alive for saying this but, to me, these frames just dont look right with anything less than 140mm of travel. *runs*


No stone, maybe a small pebble - they all look good but I think they look best over 130mm with a short stem.
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Re: Carbon 456 owners pictures and spec

Postby paulneenan76 » Mon Dec 03, 2012 22:51 pm

eebygum wrote:Cheers Paul,

I protected the frame around the headtube with a bit of helitape on the obvious rub spots, but I had real trouble getting tape to stick over the angles of the downtube, hence the innertube wrap.

Chainsuck......I have had real problems with this and dont have a good solution. I'm running a triple and the clearance isn't great and I get chainsuck every ride resulting in nasty gouges into the carbon. Thankfully I know that the chainstays are over-engineered so these gouges should not compromise the frame integrity.
I've tried helitape, innertube and cableties and clean my chain after every ride, but still have problems. My advice ( and others will hopefully have alternatives) would be simply not to run a triple.

Hope that helps


Luckily for me, the chap I got my frame from spent time and money on frame protection, and I've just removed a couple of patches (they werent matte look) and replaced it/added some matte look tape from paragon tapes (works a treat and whilst you can see it, it blends nicely). He used a tube for the chainstay but has done it in such a way that it is bonded to itself and not the stay, and then covered parts of it with masking tape or similar. The downtube solution is interesting too. From what I can see there is one solid piece of protection running down most of it and covered with tape. It doesn't stand out or detract from the frame but it should add to what is already a heavily built part of the frame. I'll take a pick or two.

I'll be running a triple and the chap who just put up the El Diablo C456 is running triple too I think with no obvious chain suck markings - someone must have a solution.

I got a bionicon v2 chain guide (chap on this thread has one too) for a 3rd of the price yesterday - we'll see if it helps once the bikes complete.

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Re: Carbon 456 owners pictures and spec

Postby paulneenan76 » Mon Dec 03, 2012 22:54 pm

Single, Double, Triple? What is your tip to reduce/eliminate chainsuck on your C456?

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Re: Carbon 456 owners pictures and spec

Postby Portrush Philly » Mon Dec 03, 2012 23:52 pm

@ eebygum, you're right, just over 24lb
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Re: Carbon 456 owners pictures and spec

Postby JMcP92 » Tue Dec 04, 2012 10:17 am

Another possible question - Bar width?
I'd ordered a set of bars on offer, ended up returning them cos they were 600mm and it was just too thin to be usable I felt. The other options I have seems to be either 660mm or 750mm, what is best?

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Re: Carbon 456 owners pictures and spec

Postby paulneenan76 » Tue Dec 04, 2012 11:27 am

JMcP92 wrote:Another possible question - Bar width?
I'd ordered a set of bars on offer, ended up returning them cos they were 600mm and it was just too thin to be usable I felt. The other options I have seems to be either 660mm or 750mm, what is best?


How do you mean thin? do you mean narrow?

It's dependent on where you ride and how much room you like at the controls/body positioning. I had a discussion about this with my brother on Saturday mornings ride. There are 3 trails which are tight and twisty tree sections and we decided that under 650mm would be too narrow and slow but over 750 and you would be pinging off trees left right and centre. We both have around 680 currently and my new bars from On One are 685mm.

I would say 750 would be ok. You can always cut them down. Try On One or Superstar for there risers - might have money off, the are good, and you get colour choices.

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Re: Carbon 456 owners pictures and spec

Postby Plyphon » Tue Dec 04, 2012 14:16 pm

Do any off the shelf chainstay protectors fit the 456?

Debating ghetto tube method vs something else

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Re: Carbon 456 owners pictures and spec

Postby paulneenan76 » Tue Dec 04, 2012 15:33 pm

Plyphon wrote:Do any off the shelf chainstay protectors fit the 456?

Debating ghetto tube method vs something else

The large Lezyne ones do. However I wouldn't do it in isolation, cos ya chain will destroy it, but over the top of an inner tube (ghetto). Alternatively go to www.biketart.com and buy some frame wrap!! This gives the same result as an old innertube, looks a bit neater, but is obviously not free like an old tube!! Although its hardly expensive ;D

I would still put a lezyne poly protector on as well - if there's room. I like the Ghetto look, depending what colour frame.
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Re: Carbon 456 owners pictures and spec

Postby JMcP92 » Tue Dec 04, 2012 19:26 pm

paulneenan76 wrote:
JMcP92 wrote:Another possible question - Bar width?
I'd ordered a set of bars on offer, ended up returning them cos they were 600mm and it was just too thin to be usable I felt. The other options I have seems to be either 660mm or 750mm, what is best?


How do you mean thin? do you mean narrow?

It's dependent on where you ride and how much room you like at the controls/body positioning. I had a discussion about this with my brother on Saturday mornings ride. There are 3 trails which are tight and twisty tree sections and we decided that under 650mm would be too narrow and slow but over 750 and you would be pinging off trees left right and centre. We both have around 680 currently and my new bars from On One are 685mm.

I would say 750 would be ok. You can always cut them down. Try On One or Superstar for there risers - might have money off, the are good, and you get colour choices.

Paul


Aye, I mean narrow, 600mm just felt too narrow in my hands, so I sent it back.

Issue of a 750mm is I can't cut it down as it's a carbon bar I'm getting, cutting it is ill advised. So I have a choice of 660 or 750. Have to decide when the time comes I suppose, plenty bits to buy yet.

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Re: Carbon 456 owners pictures and spec

Postby paulneenan76 » Tue Dec 04, 2012 22:46 pm

Ah carbon, cool. Well I'd suggest it'd be best to go wider then - 750 isn't super wide, over 800 is. I doubt you'll notice 660mm over the 600 you sent back so if it was me I'd go 750. Is this a super deal with only 3 size options then?

What stem have you chosen? And are the bars compatible 31.6mm these days.

What else have you planned to get for the build??
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Re: Carbon 456 owners pictures and spec

Postby JMcP92 » Wed Dec 05, 2012 00:09 am

Plan thus far consists of parts costing maybe £5,000 in total... I said it was a plan, never said it was realistic...

Anyway, I've found a rather nice deal on brand new Rockshox Revelation XX World Cup forks, £280 brand new :D :D likely grab me some of those. After that there will be some saving up to be done, the question of bars is more of an xmas thing, see what I can get and such.

They'd all likely be carbon cycles kit, good quality and not putting too big a hole in the bank account, looking at their 60mm stem which is a carbon aluminium blend:
http://www.carboncycles.cc/?s=0&t=2&c=90&p=613&
and then the bars, full carbon (probably 750mm) 31.8 riser bars:
http://www.carboncycles.cc/?s=0&t=2&c=94&p=1063&

...yes, I am a whore for carbon and lack of weight :D

Further plans? Maybe get some wheels at some point... I hear they're useful

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Re: Carbon 456 owners pictures and spec

Postby paulneenan76 » Wed Dec 05, 2012 09:54 am

£5k? :D wow. Mine is sub £500. But it is a swap not from scratch build.

Carbon is cool but it doesn't fit with my scheme or budget plan. The carbon cycles stuff is great value though so keep an eye out for there sale. There flat pedals are supposed to be very good (superstar Nano copies).

Good time for fork deals, and the Revs would be my choice also but stay away from dual position - apparently not as good as single position or u-turn. You also find better deals on the forks with bolt through drop outs 15 or 20mm more often than 9mm qr I found. Just make sure they match your wheelset.

Will be good to see your progress.

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Re: Carbon 456 owners pictures and spec

Postby JMcP92 » Wed Dec 05, 2012 11:36 am

I'll likely end up with a dual air fork, They are (minorly) heavier which isn't a concern but they can be harder to tune to get right. To be honest I don't understand why they bother with dual air over single U-turn but it seems to be what is available and it's a decent price so I'm nae gonna complain, do a little tuning and it should be ok.

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Re: Carbon 456 owners pictures and spec

Postby paulneenan76 » Wed Dec 05, 2012 12:19 pm

JMcP92 wrote:I'll likely end up with a dual air fork, They are (minorly) heavier which isn't a concern but they can be harder to tune to get right. To be honest I don't understand why they bother with dual air over single U-turn but it seems to be what is available and it's a decent price so I'm nae gonna complain, do a little tuning and it should be ok.


You mean dual position over single u-turn? Yes I don't understand why RS have u-turn and dual position in the range. Seems to me that u-turn would be a better choice but I have no knowledge. Mine are dual air rlt's 150. You can space them down too.
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Re: Carbon 456 owners pictures and spec

Postby EdW » Fri Dec 07, 2012 00:01 am

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Here's mine, I scraped the worst of the mud off before I took the pic :wink:
140mm Revs.
1 x 10 XT group with Raceface cranks & 36T chainring.
DT Swiss E2200 wheels.
700mm Spank Oozy bars & a Reverb.
Weighs about 25.5 lb

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Re: Carbon 456 owners pictures and spec

Postby lawman » Fri Dec 07, 2012 09:43 am

JMcP92 wrote:Plan thus far consists of parts costing maybe £5,000 in total... I said it was a plan, never said it was realistic...

Anyway, I've found a rather nice deal on brand new Rockshox Revelation XX World Cup forks, £280 brand new :D :D likely grab me some of those. After that there will be some saving up to be done, the question of bars is more of an xmas thing, see what I can get and such.

They'd all likely be carbon cycles kit, good quality and not putting too big a hole in the bank account, looking at their 60mm stem which is a carbon aluminium blend:
http://www.carboncycles.cc/?s=0&t=2&c=90&p=613&
and then the bars, full carbon (probably 750mm) 31.8 riser bars:
http://www.carboncycles.cc/?s=0&t=2&c=94&p=1063&

...yes, I am a whore for carbon and lack of weight :D

Further plans? Maybe get some wheels at some point... I hear they're useful


Saying it's £5k is ambitious :lol: If those forks are from the states as you asked me about, I really can't emphasize enough how bad an idea it is, you will end paying probably double that price once everything adds up, and it really isn't worth it.

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Re: Carbon 456 owners pictures and spec

Postby paulneenan76 » Fri Dec 07, 2012 16:26 pm

Since 2008, importing from the US to beat the uk pricing has become uneconomic, which is a shame as UGG boots are a bloody expensive present for the missus ;). Wait for the sales and you'll get a good set of Revs or equivilants under £300.
Or use the classifieds. Also, warranty is void typically.
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Re: Carbon 456 owners pictures and spec

Postby Plyphon » Mon Dec 10, 2012 14:13 pm

I am now the proud owner:

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£700 off of a fellow forum member. Very impressed with the build of the frame, and the overall bike is so light.

Condition much better than I anticipated - hard to explain but in the photos only what i can describe as "carbon flakes" (for lack of the proper word) under the lacquer bounce light all over the place and make it look scratched/scuffed - in reality its all good. (not sure if this is normal?)

Spec is as follows:

18" carbon 456 frame
Rockshox revelation RLT 140mm
Avid elixir R brakes
Front wheel: Mavic XM719 on hope pro 2s
Rear wheel: Mavic XC717 on hope pro 2s
Fire XC Pro's 2.1 all round.

XT triple crankset
XT front mech
SLX rear mech
SLX rear shifter
SRAM X9 front shifter
SRAM PG990 cassette (with aluminium red spider)
SRAM chain

eXotic carbon seatpost
eXotic 60mm stem and 700mm wide handlebars
Superstar lockon grips
Charge spoon saddle

Stoked :D

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Re: Carbon 456 owners pictures and spec

Postby BlueAdvocate » Mon Dec 10, 2012 16:50 pm

Ok so it's starting to look like a bike at last. Got the BB and cranks in; helitaped the down tube and cranks.
The seatpost, stem and bars are just there to give me an idea (they are the old kit off my Trek).
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Once I decide on a bar/stem combo I can finish the thing.
Have all my other bits now like the rear mech now (bargain on CRC for the new shadow+) with some Saint pedals.
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