Wheel Upgrade Advice

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mriley60
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Wheel Upgrade Advice

Postby mriley60 » Wed Dec 12, 2012 22:22 pm

Hi there,

Having recently purchased my new bike (Wilier Izoard with Campag Xenon), I am thinking of keeping the current wheels for winter, and getting something better for summer. It currently has Miche Race on there at the minute. Having had a browse online it seems to be a mine field. If I had a budget of up to £500 what would people recommend?

Thanks in advance!

Martin

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Re: Wheel Upgrade Advice

Postby TakeTurns » Wed Dec 12, 2012 22:43 pm

What are you planning on doing with the bike; Commuting, sportives, racing, riding in the alps...?

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Re: Wheel Upgrade Advice

Postby mriley60 » Wed Dec 12, 2012 23:18 pm

sportives, also a London paris in July. Ambition to do great wall of china following year.......

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Re: Wheel Upgrade Advice

Postby TakeTurns » Wed Dec 12, 2012 23:49 pm

Well in that case you're best to go with a lightweight/non aero wheel as supposed to a deep sectioned.

I'd recommend the Mavic Ksyrium Elite's. I use them most of the time besides racing. They're extremely robust, never had to re-tru them since purchase (2011) despite all the potholes I've hit and I weigh 85kg. Never noticed any flexing when climbing out the saddle. They're about 1500g, which is really good considering the strength and price.

Good luck with the London to Paris! :)

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Re: Wheel Upgrade Advice

Postby GGBiker » Thu Dec 13, 2012 00:35 am

I put prolite braccianos on my Izoard, fantastic wheels for £250 and very light, can really feel the difference compared to the stock Fulcrum R7s it came with.

If I were you I would get these and spend the rest upgrading your saddle and perhaps the Xenon shifters and Mechs to Campag Veloce or Centaur. Also make sure you put decent tyres on as the stock tyres are poor. You'll see a big difference in how the bike rolls for a small outlay.

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Re: Wheel Upgrade Advice

Postby ugo.santalucia » Thu Dec 13, 2012 07:18 am

Looking at your ambitious plans, I wouldn't listen to any of the above and would go for something reliable rather than light. If you pop a spoke on your Ksyrium in China you might as well come home... the London to Paris has mechanics, but I doubt they go around with unconventional spares... they might lend you a wheel, but then you might as well go with what you've got now.
Something structurally sound and conventionally built with J spokes would be appropriate, if you can bear the humiliation and peer disapproval of facing a set of wheels weighing 1.7 Kg... :twisted:
The price would be largely based on hub choice, with your budget you can afford pretty good hubs, Record, for instance.
I think factory wheels are OK to roam around a 50 miles radius from your house... if you plan trips, go hand built... any LBS around the world can fix them if anything happened (not necessarily the wheels' fault) and if you don't go too light, the chances of anything going wrong are fairly slim

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Re: Wheel Upgrade Advice

Postby Captainlip » Thu Dec 13, 2012 08:26 am

I have just ordered some mavic 2013 sls wheels at 1400g I feel will be one of the best alu wheelsets money can buy in terms of reliablity and build.

for price you can get them from wiggle with 15% OFF, and put 15EXTRA when in the cart gives a further discount. :lol:
MADONE 5.2

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Re: Wheel Upgrade Advice

Postby ugo.santalucia » Thu Dec 13, 2012 08:47 am

Captainlip wrote: I feel will be one of the best alu wheelsets money can buy in terms of reliablity and build.


Exactly, I don't see how your feelings can be of any help to the OP. As a matter of facts, your zicral spokes are meant to fail much sooner than the equivalent stainless steel ones. For reliability, I would not recommend anything other than stainless steel for spokes

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Re: Wheel Upgrade Advice

Postby LegendLust » Thu Dec 13, 2012 13:08 pm

ugo.santalucia wrote:
Captainlip wrote: I feel will be one of the best alu wheelsets money can buy in terms of reliablity and build.


Exactly, I don't see how your feelings can be of any help to the OP. As a matter of facts, your zicral spokes are meant to fail much sooner than the equivalent stainless steel ones. For reliability, I would not recommend anything other than stainless steel for spokes


Well said

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Re: Wheel Upgrade Advice

Postby cooper.michael1 » Thu Dec 13, 2012 20:11 pm

Yeah I love Mavic factory wheels, they are solid but I sure as hell would not take them to China.

Have a look at some handbuilts. This company has a good reputation www.wheelsmith.co.uk

Some Ambrosio Excellight Clincher rims on Campag record hubs would be a top quality wheel for £410, and serviceable globally.

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Re: Wheel Upgrade Advice

Postby Pippi Langsamer » Thu Dec 13, 2012 20:25 pm

Check out the piccolo wheels reduced to £385 here:

http://petematthews.com/home/index.php/specials

Arguably one of the best wheel builders the UK has ever seen....
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Re: Wheel Upgrade Advice

Postby de scott » Thu Dec 13, 2012 20:55 pm

Petematthews.com would be my best choice.i bought a pair off him in the summer for audax riding and they are the best wheels I have ever bought. Really nice fella and knows his stuff! Check out the website. Hope this helps. De

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Re: Wheel Upgrade Advice

Postby TOM14S » Thu Dec 13, 2012 22:22 pm

ugo.santalucia wrote:
Exactly, I don't see how your feelings can be of any help to the OP. As a matter of facts, your zicral spokes are meant to fail much sooner than the equivalent stainless steel ones. For reliability, I would not recommend anything other than stainless steel for spokes


I disagree... but we've had this convo.
Spokes aren't "meant to fail".
I'm sure they're fit for purpose.
Yes i know all about the fatigue lives for steel vs Al etc...
But, i can't remember anyone replacing Al spokes on their SL's but i've heard about it on steel elites. I'm not going to bother going hunting though.
SLS = brilliant wheelset

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Re: Wheel Upgrade Advice

Postby cooper.michael1 » Thu Dec 13, 2012 23:01 pm

TOM14S wrote:
ugo.santalucia wrote:
Exactly, I don't see how your feelings can be of any help to the OP. As a matter of facts, your zicral spokes are meant to fail much sooner than the equivalent stainless steel ones. For reliability, I would not recommend anything other than stainless steel for spokes


I disagree... but we've had this convo.
Spokes aren't "meant to fail".
I'm sure they're fit for purpose.
Yes i know all about the fatigue lives for steel vs Al etc...
But, i can't remember anyone replacing Al spokes on their SL's but i've heard about it on steel elites. I'm not going to bother going hunting though.
SLS = brilliant wheelset


Is this what the average cycling plus reader really thinks?...people do ride bikes for purposes other than racing. I'm a massive Mavic wheel fan (my 8 year old cosmos are still going strong) and I don't think anyone is saying they are not good wheels.

However the bottom line is if one high end Mavic spoke fails in the middle of no where in China you are screwed, it is pretty much the end of the trip. This is especially true with the radial front and isopulse rear wheel, as you could not even make the wheel reasonably true, until you got to a bike shop (which could be 100s miles away).

When it comes to long trips, in rural environments you should pick reliability every time. A handbuilt 32 or 36 spoke wheel will be functional even with a broken spoke, and even in china you'll be able to get the wheel repaired in a reasonably sized town. Good quality handbuilts will not weigh much (if any) more than a factory wheel, even if they don't look that flash.

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Re: Wheel Upgrade Advice

Postby Skeleton_Sharn » Thu Dec 13, 2012 23:18 pm

Hub of choice on Open pro 32h, Dt Revs. Built by a man, who knows what hes doing.

Shimano hubs work well and roll fast, but they dont look all that flash. Hopes if you want cheap/solid/rebuildable - And you dont need a bell, just stop pedaling and people jump out of the way.

Maybe won't be the sexiest wheels in the world but theyll do you good service.

Carry hub spares on your journey.

Sharn

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Re: Wheel Upgrade Advice

Postby TOM14S » Thu Dec 13, 2012 23:33 pm

I was disagreeing to the spokes failing, not that they're a good wheel for China. Never been to China, so no idea.


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