"Change Cycling Now"

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Re: "Change Cycling Now"

Postby ddraver » Mon Dec 10, 2012 18:01 pm

I dunno....

I do genuinely think he's a genuine fan, he's just a fan with power! Trouble is that we re all fans, but what Frenchie would do if he had his way (roads lined with Bertie pictures, all words beginning with St to be banned from use at any cycling event) vs what say mroli would do (ban anyone who'd ever put anything stronger than diet water in their bidons) would do are completely different. Both are equally genuine though. Why is Jamie Fuller any different!

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Re: "Change Cycling Now"

Postby Nik Cube » Mon Dec 10, 2012 19:56 pm

Is it just me that gets serious pissed off with high and mighty Greg - after all using outlawed mechanic aides is cheating Greg !!!!!
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Re: "Change Cycling Now"

Postby iainf72 » Mon Dec 10, 2012 20:45 pm

Nik Cube wrote:Is it just me that gets serious pissed off with high and mighty Greg - after all using outlawed mechanic aides is cheating Greg !!!!!


Except they weren't outlawed.

But don't let me ruin your outrage
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Re: "Change Cycling Now"

Postby Richmond Racer » Tue Dec 11, 2012 09:32 am

Well, well, what do you know. It transpires that Bakala's partner in crime on the World Cycling Series proposal, Jonathan Price, attended the CCN meeting and gave them a nice little presentation. This has come from Velocast, one of whom attended the CNN meeting.

Not really about changing cycling, is it boys?

Its about changing faces not the rules. Its about pay-back in some cases. And its most definitely about the $$$. And Vaughters is up to his neck in it. Think Fullers got an interest in this World Series too? Hmm?

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Re: "Change Cycling Now"

Postby iainf72 » Thu Dec 13, 2012 20:39 pm

Sounds like Ashenden's "100% clean" scheme in part involves constantly watching the athletes.

So he's basically run out of ideas?
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Re: "Change Cycling Now"

Postby No tA Doctor » Thu Dec 13, 2012 20:59 pm

iainf72 wrote:Sounds like Ashenden's "100% clean" scheme in part involves constantly watching the athletes.

So he's basically run out of ideas?


Yes, sounded like Walsh just gave the game away. Good luck Bugno selling it to the riders.

Ashenden's general gist has always been monitoring the effects of drugs rather than testing for the drugs themselves (as in the blood passport) but there are just too many bio parameters we have no idea where the baselines are or how they change in various conditions.
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Re: "Change Cycling Now"

Postby Richmond Racer » Thu Dec 13, 2012 21:03 pm

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iainf72 wrote:Sounds like Ashenden's "100% clean" scheme in part involves constantly watching the athletes.

So he's basically run out of ideas?


Yes, sounded like Walsh just gave the game away. Good luck Bugno selling it to the riders.

Ashenden's general gist has always been monitoring the effects of drugs rather than testing for the drugs themselves (as in the blood passport) but there are just too many bio parameters we have no idea where the baselines are or how they change in various conditions.



10 top riders have to live together a la Big Brother House and be monitored. That's the idea. Apparently.

Well, Wiggo and Froome aint gonna share a room for starters. :)

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Re: "Change Cycling Now"

Postby RichN95 » Thu Dec 13, 2012 21:16 pm

Richmond Racer wrote:10 top riders have to live together a la Big Brother House and be monitored. That's the idea. Apparently.

Well, Wiggo and Froome aint gonna share a room for starters. :)


If that's his idea then he's going to get laughed at. What happens if the winner comes from outside top ten? Was Hesjedal in the pre-Giro top ten? Maybe but De Gendt certainly wasn't. And Cobo and Froome in the '11 Vuelta? Pereiro in 2006 wouldn't have been on the list and Contador was a long shot in 2007.
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Re: "Change Cycling Now"

Postby Richmond Racer » Thu Dec 13, 2012 21:21 pm

RichN95 wrote:
Richmond Racer wrote:10 top riders have to live together a la Big Brother House and be monitored. That's the idea. Apparently.

Well, Wiggo and Froome aint gonna share a room for starters. :)


If that's his idea then he's going to get laughed at. What happens if the winner comes from outside top ten? Was Hesjedal in the pre-Giro top ten? Maybe but De Gendt certainly wasn't. And Cobo and Froome in the '11 Vuelta? Pereiro in 2006 wouldn't have been on the list and Contador was a long shot in 2007.



Come on, its inspired. Its New Cycling, you know. Its probably an idea presented to the CCN mob by The (School for the) Gifted Group at their shindig. Sod the TV revenues from races, Big Cycling Brother is really the big money spinner of an idea.

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Re: "Change Cycling Now"

Postby ddraver » Thu Dec 13, 2012 21:25 pm

Is suggest the top 10 on t tv.at the start of t race, or maybe after first mountain stage or TT.

It's unlikely that someone could leap frog from 10th to 1st after the "first big shakeup"
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Re: "Change Cycling Now"

Postby RichN95 » Thu Dec 13, 2012 21:29 pm

ddraver wrote:Is suggest the top 10 on t tv.at the start of t race, or maybe after first mountain stage or TT.

It's unlikely that someone could leap frog from 10th to 1st after the "first big shakeup"


So you make sure you get your doping done before that stage. And what about doping in training - isn't that's where the hard work is done?

His plan is meant to prove 100% to everyone that there is no doping. The small amount of fans who actually want this kind of reassurance aren't going to buy it.
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Re: "Change Cycling Now"

Postby ddraver » Thu Dec 13, 2012 21:47 pm

I did nt say it was a good idea....
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Re: "Change Cycling Now"

Postby inkyfingers » Fri Dec 14, 2012 06:38 am

Hang on, I was reading this thinking the top 10 living together was a joke, now i'm not so sure?
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Re: "Change Cycling Now"

Postby ddraver » Fri Dec 14, 2012 08:40 am

*Affect appropriate accent*

Dey twelve in da big brothor 'ouse and Vincenzor is ge'in jealous of chris' mat'rass an' Sky branded pilloorw*

Have to say that sounds more fun than the racing!

*There is actually a fair point in that appauling geordie vernacular, Imagine the top 10 riders all getting a play by play view of Sky's post and pre race "marginal gains" rigmarole...
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Re: "Change Cycling Now"

Postby Richmond Racer » Fri Dec 14, 2012 09:45 am

Overheard from the Big Brother diary room

"I'm well jel of Wiggo and Froomey's Sky iPhones" says Cuddles

"If he doesnt stop looking at me in a funny way I'm gonna 'ave 'him" says Nibbles

"I dont understand why they're making us all eat this vegetarian sheeet" says Bertie

"I cant stand it here, I just want to breakaway and be on my own" says Thomas De Gendt

Ryder has no comment as he's spent 98% of the time asleep since entering the House


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Re: "Change Cycling Now"

Postby Nick Fitt » Fri Dec 14, 2012 16:40 pm

iainf72 wrote:
Nik Cube wrote:Is it just me that gets serious pissed off with high and mighty Greg - after all using outlawed mechanic aides is cheating Greg !!!!!


Except they weren't outlawed.

But don't let me ruin your outrage


And neither was Iron injections when his 'doctor' tested his blood and found it anaemic. It helped him put in a good TT but that's just coincidence.

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Re: "Change Cycling Now"

Postby iainf72 » Wed Jan 09, 2013 12:53 pm

Is this CCN thing dead now?
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Re: "Change Cycling Now"

Postby ddraver » Wed Jan 09, 2013 12:56 pm

Not sure it was ever alive really was it?
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Re: "Change Cycling Now"

Postby RichN95 » Wed Jan 09, 2013 13:05 pm

iainf72 wrote:Is this CCN thing dead now?

On page 3 of this thread I said they were "people stuck in 2005 because Lance hasn't cried on Oprah for them", so they're not dead but they've now got an expiry date.
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Re: "Change Cycling Now"

Postby Richmond Racer » Wed Jan 09, 2013 13:11 pm

Still not sure what its real goals were, what the group thought they could achieve?

They got widespread coverage in the cycling media with the press conference and with follow up interviews with Fuller and JV especially. But they seriously cant have thought that Pat would stand down just on their call?

And if any of them thought that Bugno was going to follow up with the senior riders on Ashenden's proposal re a wondrous new approach to proving that a rider's clean...I read a few days ago a quote from a journo who had spoken to Dan Lloyd at the CNN press conference, and Lloyd told him that in all the time (some 5 years) he'd spent as in some capacity as a rider representative, he'd never heard a word from the CPA. The CCN panel shouldnt be banking anything on Bugno doing anything other than filing under 'nice shopping weekend in London'

Was it trying to be a rallying point to show, who, the IOC that there's widespread unhappiness with the UCI? To show WADA that there are some different ideas around how anti-doping should be approached?

Perplexing


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