listenning to music

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listenning to music

Postby diy » Mon Dec 17, 2012 07:58 am

I've heard quite a few people say that there is evidence that listening to music substantially increases your risk of an accident. Personally I listen to music, I can still hear cars approaching, so wondered if there was some other evidence that listening to music impacted your safety? Anyone know the arguments/evidence? The obvious one is that you cannot hear mechanical problems developing so, if your pedal bearings are on their way out, the first you will realise is when your shoe tries to rip your foot off.

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Re: listenning to music

Postby ddraver » Mon Dec 17, 2012 08:25 am

After trying to MTB with Crank Bros pedals, I can say with some authority that you can feel bearings disintegrating long before anything get's ripped off....they did have a good go though.

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Re: listenning to music

Postby iPete » Mon Dec 17, 2012 09:10 am

I listen to music purely to drown out the sound of my Crud guards rubbing!

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Re: listenning to music

Postby thistle (MBNW) » Mon Dec 17, 2012 09:23 am

I can hear cars approaching while listening to music but I don't have it on so loud that I can't. The wind noise will drown out any music anyway above 20 mph.

I also look over my shoulder frequently to see if anything's coming, even if I've not got music on.

If you're riding along faffing with the MP3 player changing tracks etc. I can see how that would increase your chance of an accident.

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Re: listenning to music

Postby cougie » Mon Dec 17, 2012 09:25 am

Can you hear other bikes approaching, or electric cars ?
Personally I'm not a fan of music when cycling - I had a double decker bus catch me unawares - on a climb once and I didnt have any music on. All I saw of it was the shadow looming over me.

There's plenty of other sounds you'll miss if youve got music in. like the noise of a rivet catching as it works its way out of your chain for one.

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Re: listenning to music

Postby MountainMonster » Mon Dec 17, 2012 09:27 am

thistle (MBNW) wrote:I can hear cars approaching while listening to music but I don't have it on so loud that I can't. The wind noise will drown out any music anyway above 20 mph.

I also look over my shoulder frequently to see if anything's coming, even if I've not got music on.

If you're riding along faffing with the MP3 player changing tracks etc. I can see how that would increase your chance of an accident.


I haven't noticed this before, I can normally hear mine decently enough up to about 40kmh.

I think music is fine as long you don't become oblivious to the world around you. I spent most of my adult life on motorbikes, so am adept at being situationally aware when I can't hear anything.

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Re: listenning to music

Postby Buckie2k5 » Mon Dec 17, 2012 09:35 am

i only have my left ear plugged in. i can still hear cars approaching, coming past etc.

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Re: listenning to music

Postby Critch » Mon Dec 17, 2012 09:44 am

I listen as well but I dont use those tight fitting, deep in-ear plugs. I don't have it loud and tbh I get the wind noise louder than the music and can still here traffic.

Cycling bodies and charities encourage the hard of hearing or the profoundly deaf to cycle so please don't start with the, "You're idiots who create danger... blah, blah, blah."

Its about awareness and observation (I use mirrors) and virtually all of that comes from sight. I can listen to music and still hear and be alert to whats around me.

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Re: listenning to music

Postby Mikey23 » Mon Dec 17, 2012 10:08 am

Don't get me started... Crazy and irresponsible are two words that come to mind. However Your problem, your life

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Re: listenning to music

Postby MountainMonster » Mon Dec 17, 2012 10:15 am

Mikey23 wrote:Don't get me started... Crazy and irresponsible are two words that come to mind. However Your problem, your life


You do realise that listening to music is exactly the same as sitting inside a giant box (car)? You don't hear the other cars as well without the windows rolled down. Neither is more dangerous than the other.

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Re: listenning to music

Postby junglist_matty » Mon Dec 17, 2012 10:37 am

I don't get the whole "listening out for passing cars" argument..... So you're telling me that when you're riding along and you hear an approaching car (from behind) you have a look over your shoulder to spot the approaching car?!?!?!?!?

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Re: listenning to music

Postby Neale1978 » Mon Dec 17, 2012 10:55 am

Ive done it on and off for years. If you ride in good positions out of peoples way etc then you should be fine

Don't get me started... Crazy and irresponsible are two words that come to mind. However Your problem, your life


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Re: listenning to music

Postby marcusjb » Mon Dec 17, 2012 10:57 am

I use the OneGoodEarbud - which is what is sounds like - one earbud with both left and right channels played on it. Works perfectly for me.

I don't buy this whole listening to music makes it dangerous. Deaf people can ride bikes and drive you know?

If you are relying purely on audible feed back before making a manoeuvre in traffic, then you're doing it all wrong. It's a help, but in reality your eyes are rather more important.
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Re: listenning to music

Postby diy » Mon Dec 17, 2012 11:12 am

Mikey23 wrote:Don't get me started... Crazy and irresponsible are two words that come to mind. However Your problem, your life


What are the arguments, please lets hear the reasoned logic. So far I have only considered that it is dangerous when riding in a group as groups ride very close and need to hear each other communicate.

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Re: listenning to music

Postby diy » Mon Dec 17, 2012 11:15 am

MountainMonster wrote: I spent most of my adult life on motorbikes, so am as deaf as a post due to the wind noise and am adept at being situationally aware when I can't hear anything.


corrected for you ;)

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Re: listenning to music

Postby gloomyandy » Mon Dec 17, 2012 11:22 am

It's a tricky question. Not a case of is it unsafe, more one of is it less safe? I'm sure a deaf person is very safe, but these are people that have probably spent a lot of time adjusting to using other senses to gather information. So will a rider who is listening to music pick up all of the available cues that a rider with good hearing etc. not listening to music will pick up? My guess is probably not. But will that make the rider unsafe, again probably not. Will a rider listening to music but otherwise totally alert, be safer than one without the music, but still half asleep, or full of anger because they have just had a near miss with a car, probably.

I suspect that location may also make a difference. If you are commuting and constantly surrounded by traffic then I'm not sure how much your hearing helps. If you are out on a twisty country road then the sound of a boy racer tearing up from around the blind bend, may give you that extra bit of time.

Myself I tend not to listen to music. When I'm in the car I like to listen to pod-casts, when I'm on the bike out with others I will chat to them, I wonder if these are more or less distracting then music? At the end of the day you have to choose. One thing for sure you are more vulnerable, than a car driver if you do miss some sort of cue...

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Re: listenning to music

Postby cougie » Mon Dec 17, 2012 11:30 am

MountainMonster wrote:
Mikey23 wrote:Don't get me started... Crazy and irresponsible are two words that come to mind. However Your problem, your life


You do realise that listening to music is exactly the same as sitting inside a giant box (car)? You don't hear the other cars as well without the windows rolled down. Neither is more dangerous than the other.


Not really the same is it though ? You'll have three mirrors in your car - so you can see easily what's behind you.
Plus you have a lane of your own - you're not constantly getting passed by motorists in your own lane - they have to come round you. And also the speed differential - and safety aspects of being in a car are completely different. So its not exactly the same is it ?

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Re: listenning to music

Postby Navrig » Mon Dec 17, 2012 12:05 pm

diy wrote:
Mikey23 wrote:Don't get me started... Crazy and irresponsible are two words that come to mind. However Your problem, your life


What are the arguments, please lets hear the reasoned logic. So far I have only considered that it is dangerous when riding in a group as groups ride very close and need to hear each other communicate.


I think it simply boils down to awareness and keeping your senses available for best use in a particular situation.

Every cyclist will be, to some extent or another, riding defensively because of being vulnerable to damage from any motor propelled vehicle. To maximise their safety making full use of their senses is adviseable. The more they divert their senses to other activities the greater they are exposed to the risks.

The degree of exposure will vary enormously by person and riding conditions however at its very simplest if you redcue your ability to hear your environment you will increase your risk of an accident.

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Re: listenning to music

Postby kamil1891 » Mon Dec 17, 2012 13:00 pm

For me personally, most of my awareness what's going around me, behind me in particular, comes from sound. So, I don't think I would risk training with earphones on. And to be honest, I don't think anything may sound nicer than tyres on a nice tarmac ;)

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Re: listenning to music

Postby Bozman » Mon Dec 17, 2012 13:12 pm

I never do but I can't see the problem, you only need to know what's in front of you, if you worry about anything behind you It'll become a distraction and that's when accidents happen.


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