I saw the most epic bike today

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I saw the most epic bike today

Postby mallorcajeff » Sun Dec 30, 2012 19:21 pm

Went for a ride today and there is a shop in palma always stacked with top level kit and saw a bike that was so nice its got me thinking of changing. Looked on the web to see what model it was but cant find it.
It was a Spech Venge but was built up with Lightweight weels 80mm and Campag EPS and every other top bit of kit you can find. The bit i dont get was it looked like a ltd model the frame was all black except a few bars of colour red a yellow and somethign else and had matchign saddle, both with a signature on it but couldnt work out what it said? Any ideas? Stunning machine. They had a shiv with lightweight disc wheel, supersix evo and C59 with Eps all in one little bit of the window! seems no crisis in spain where this shop is bloody hell.

Tried to take a picture but only had iphone with me and the reflection made a black bike impossible to see.

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Re: I saw the most epic bike today

Postby declan1 » Sun Dec 30, 2012 19:35 pm

It wasn't the Mclaren Venge was it?

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Or maybe a Tom Boonen special edition?

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Re: I saw the most epic bike today

Postby Super Prestige » Sun Dec 30, 2012 19:38 pm

There are a limeted number of Venge`s with EPS in the Specialized Concept Stores in the UK at a mere £11000.00 :shock: :shock:

Found it
http://www.specializedconceptstore.co.u ... spx?id=586
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Re: I saw the most epic bike today

Postby mallorcajeff » Sun Dec 30, 2012 20:03 pm

That was it the boonen ltd edition. Jesus it looks amazng in the flesh way better than the pics. Im off there next week to have a look at it, amazing bit of kit.
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Re: I saw the most epic bike today

Postby Simon Masterson » Sun Dec 30, 2012 20:47 pm

Just to be clear, this is a good looking bike. ;)

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Re: I saw the most epic bike today

Postby ugo.santalucia » Sun Dec 30, 2012 20:54 pm

Simon Masterson wrote:Just to be clear, this is a good looking bike. ;)

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Indeed... Is that Chorus?

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Re: I saw the most epic bike today

Postby Simon Masterson » Sun Dec 30, 2012 21:02 pm

It's a mixture, according to the page it's from... http://velospace.org/node/39895

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Re: I saw the most epic bike today

Postby Tetley10 » Sun Dec 30, 2012 21:20 pm

The spesh concept is lovely but that Mcclaren Venge is absolutely filthy. Stroll on.

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Re: I saw the most epic bike today

Postby Lycra-Byka » Mon Dec 31, 2012 12:46 pm

Simon Masterson wrote:Just to be clear, this is a good looking bike. ;)

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IMHO

Yes, 20 years ago maybe. Probably a great bike even by today's standards, don't get me wrong.
Personally, aesthetically it is hideous. Steel tubing never looks much different from bike to bike (the reason that puts me off titanium although it ticks all other boxes for me)
Some of the frames produced in carbon just have the most beautiful lines. And of course they look fast! Maybe that is the problem for some people? The fact that most modern bikes scream performance and sometimes don't have it to match the looks. A bit like a tubby chav in a track suit.

Please don't hate me.

The venge looks like some sort of black panther and the holdsworth... I'm sorry it looks like a can of irn-bru

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Re: I saw the most epic bike today

Postby Tetley10 » Mon Dec 31, 2012 14:16 pm

Lycra-Byka wrote:
Simon Masterson wrote:Just to be clear, this is a good looking bike. ;)

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IMHO

Yes, 20 years ago maybe. Probably a great bike even by today's standards, don't get me wrong.
Personally, aesthetically it is hideous. Steel tubing never looks much different from bike to bike (the reason that puts me off titanium although it ticks all other boxes for me)
Some of the frames produced in carbon just have the most beautiful lines. And of course they look fast! Maybe that is the problem for some people? The fact that most modern bikes scream performance and sometimes don't have it to match the looks. A bit like a tubby chav in a track suit.

Please don't hate me.

The venge looks like some sort of black panther and the holdsworth... I'm sorry it looks like a can of irn-bru


What made from girders?? :P

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Re: I saw the most epic bike today

Postby Super Prestige » Mon Dec 31, 2012 14:27 pm

declan1 wrote:It wasn't the Mclaren Venge was it?

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Or maybe a Tom Boonen special edition?

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Back on topic, is this available in the uk, i know the Chester Specialized store doesnt have one.
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Re: I saw the most epic bike today

Postby Charlie Potatoes » Mon Dec 31, 2012 15:08 pm

Simon Masterson wrote:Just to be clear, this is a good looking bike. ;)

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Re: I saw the most epic bike today

Postby MountainMonster » Mon Dec 31, 2012 16:06 pm

Personally I think the older frames look rather boring and soulless. They are just tubes welded together, and while they may ride just as well, based on aesthetic reasons I wouldn't consider owning one. On the other hand these Venges look so amazing!

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Re: I saw the most epic bike today

Postby Rolf F » Mon Dec 31, 2012 16:40 pm

Venges are a bit like Honda NSXs - you can't help but admire them but there's really no soul to them. It's not a bike I'd give a second glance to (infact, I'd quite possibly not notice it in the first place!).
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Re: I saw the most epic bike today

Postby Lycra-Byka » Mon Dec 31, 2012 17:02 pm

Rolf F wrote:Venges are a bit like Honda NSXs - you can't help but admire them but there's really no soul to them. It's not a bike I'd give a second glance to (infact, I'd quite possibly not notice it in the first place!).


Just because it's old doesn't mean it has soul.
What is soul anyway?

Is it a passion injected juring the build phase? Modern frames (carbon) may be mass produced but they were also mass produced 'back in the day'

Yes a lot were handmade where machines could not be afforded, nowadays I read handmade as ' could contain human mistakes during build'

Modern bikes go through such vigorous testing during the design and prototype stage that even the budget ones don't differ that much. Yes the market is saturated in corparate companies but this just pushes innovation further and faster.
I guess the imperfections make the soul of the machine do they?

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Re: I saw the most epic bike today

Postby Rolf F » Mon Dec 31, 2012 17:22 pm

Lycra-Byka wrote:
Rolf F wrote:Venges are a bit like Honda NSXs - you can't help but admire them but there's really no soul to them. It's not a bike I'd give a second glance to (infact, I'd quite possibly not notice it in the first place!).


Just because it's old doesn't mean it has soul.
What is soul anyway?


Actually, I haven't commented on whether I think old bikes have soul and modern ones do not. All I said was that the Venge is an impressive piece of kit that somehow lacks something - it's a bit dull really to me though I can see why people like them. And yes, the touch of man (or lack of it) has something to do with that. Something that is just banged out of a mould every five seconds does lack something and maybe the soul is in the imperfections.

I like my modern bikes and my old bikes. I suppose though I just can't be bothered to spend several £k on a bike frame that took a few minutes for a machine to make however good it might be.

As for innovation - law of diminishing returns applies. The last innovation of any importance was probably the carbon monocoque frame and before that the integrated brake and shifter. Then you probably have to go back to the slant parallelogram dereilleur of Suntour in the early 70s for something of real importance (maybe the clipless pedal deserves a place in there too). Innovation is overstated. Most of it is twiddling with the details. There's no real innovation in a Venge.
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Re: I saw the most epic bike today

Postby Lycra-Byka » Mon Dec 31, 2012 19:20 pm

Ok maybe not innovation- progression yes.

I know that when going up that horrid/beautiful hill Im not thinking about soul, I'm thinking I wish someone with a computer could design a bike to make this a bit easier. Although saying all this if you don't like the look of the bike you won't enjoy it as much.

Rose tinted spectacles in some cases

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Re: I saw the most epic bike today

Postby mallorcajeff » Mon Dec 31, 2012 21:17 pm

i think half the enjoyment of todays bikes is how they look (for me anyway) The new versus the old thing I just dont get what people like about the old e-type jag I think the thing is pig ugly and some people say its the best lookign thing in the world. Each to their own I guess. For me its the ferrari F430 all day long.

If you see that boonen built up you would be hard pushed to not think christ that looks good. I will go look at it next week and see if i can get some cheeky pics but its hanging up high in the shop with about 4 frames stacked against it so its not very easy.

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Re: I saw the most epic bike today

Postby DesWeller » Mon Dec 31, 2012 23:16 pm

mallorcajeff wrote:i think half the enjoyment of todays bikes is how they look (for me anyway) The new versus the old thing I just dont get what people like about the old e-type jag I think the thing is pig ugly and some people say its the best lookign thing in the world. Each to their own I guess. For me its the ferrari F430 all day long.

If you see that boonen built up you would be hard pushed to not think christ that looks good. I will go look at it next week and see if i can get some cheeky pics but its hanging up high in the shop with about 4 frames stacked against it so its not very easy.


To me, as an engineer, I can admire the sophistication of a mass-produced product and the manufacturing technology of that product, but I love nothing more than to craft something with my hands. A truly skilled machinist on a machine tool, driving the precision of the tool without having a CNC in between or even a digital readout is a special skill and held by few nowadays. I guess that's why I feel these skills hold value.

As for my favourite car it has to be the Alfa Romea Tipo 33 Stradale...knocks a F430 into a cocked hat IMO lol.


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