2013 TdF ~ Decisive stages

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2013 TdF ~ Decisive stages

Postby greasedscotsman » Thu Jan 03, 2013 11:10 am

Simple question really, which stage is going to be the stage of this year's race. Will it be Ventoux, Alpe d'Huez, maybe one of the TTs. Maybe none of them, will it be a gradual wearing down until we have a winner. If you were going to book one day off to watch a stage on the TV, which one would it be?

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Re: 2013 TdF ~ Decisive stages

Postby philbar72 » Thu Jan 03, 2013 12:20 pm

the alp d'huez for me, isn't it up and back twice? that would destroy most! Ventoux is something i'm planning on this year. it looks pretty savage.

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Re: 2013 TdF ~ Decisive stages

Postby Richmond Racer » Thu Jan 03, 2013 12:35 pm

For me, Ventoux and the Alpe

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Re: 2013 TdF ~ Decisive stages

Postby frenchfighter » Thu Jan 03, 2013 12:52 pm

What ever stage Schleck and Contador decide to rip the Sky train apart. Could be a rolling stage. Contador will attack at any opportunity.
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Re: 2013 TdF ~ Decisive stages

Postby Rick Chasey » Thu Jan 03, 2013 13:37 pm

Too tricky to decide since so much rides on how it's played out.




But it's fun so I'll plump for the Alp.

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Re: 2013 TdF ~ Decisive stages

Postby greasedscotsman » Thu Jan 03, 2013 13:50 pm

frenchfighter wrote:What ever stage Schleck and Contador decide to rip the Sky train apart. Could be a rolling stage. Contador will attack at any opportunity.


Well have a guess which one. As Rick says...

Rick Chasey wrote:...it's fun...


I think it will be the Ventoux stage, but have sneaky feeling the Annecy stage might be quite important. It's very short, 125km. Could see some attacks going all over the place.

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Re: 2013 TdF ~ Decisive stages

Postby lostboysaint » Thu Jan 03, 2013 13:51 pm

frenchfighter wrote:What ever stage Schleck and Contador decide to rip the Sky train apart. Could be a rolling stage. Contador will attack whenever a rival loses a chain.


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Re: 2013 TdF ~ Decisive stages

Postby Richmond Racer » Thu Jan 03, 2013 13:52 pm

lostboysaint wrote:
frenchfighter wrote:What ever stage Schleck and Contador decide to rip the Sky train apart. Could be a rolling stage. Contador will attack whenever a rival loses a chain.


:wink:



Funny :wink:

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Re: 2013 TdF ~ Decisive stages

Postby frenchfighter » Thu Jan 03, 2013 13:59 pm

Ventoux and Alpe should create differences - the 2nd much more than the first although I don't think the last climb is that steep at all. Also Ventoux will be very hard to get time if there is a strong wind. I also fear a strong team will just shut this off, especially with no challenges before hand.

Annecy I am biased as my grandad lives close by and hope to go to that stage.

Ax3 is a bloody hard climb as is the one before so I am going for gaps.

See here for neatly laid out climb profiles for Tour 2013
http://www.climbbybike.com/race.asp?Race=Tour2013
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Re: 2013 TdF ~ Decisive stages

Postby FJS » Thu Jan 03, 2013 14:02 pm

As always the most likely decisive stage is often the first mountain stage, like it was this year. The summit finish at Ax-3-domaines with the Pailheres is selective enough and there are plenty of scenarios that could make the race from then on a defensive procession.

Alpe d'Huez twice, Mt Ventoux and the short nervous Semnoz stage should still be spectacular. Wouldn't want to miss either of those (not sure about taking the day off to watch 220-odd flat kilometers to Mt Ventoux before the actual climb though...)

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Re: 2013 TdF ~ Decisive stages

Postby greasedscotsman » Thu Jan 03, 2013 14:06 pm

frenchfighter wrote:Ax3 is a bloody hard climb as is the one before so I am going for gaps.


I'll see you there then! :D

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Re: 2013 TdF ~ Decisive stages

Postby greasedscotsman » Thu Jan 03, 2013 14:10 pm

FJS wrote:not sure about taking the day off to watch 220-odd flat kilometers to Mt Ventoux before the actual climb though...


Lightweight! :wink:

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Re: 2013 TdF ~ Decisive stages

Postby ThomThom » Thu Jan 03, 2013 14:58 pm

Alpe stage will be like any other stage with Alpe as the MTF. That obviously means it will be a good stage but they could have placed any other HC mountain in before with the same result - cycling wise. Might even be a hindrance for good racing as the respect for Alpe is as huge as it is among the riders.

I go for, and hope for, neither of Ventoux or Alpe will be decisive.

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Re: 2013 TdF ~ Decisive stages

Postby inkyfingers » Thu Jan 03, 2013 15:07 pm

I very much doubt anybody will win the Tour on the Ventoux, unless it's an unusually still day then the wind makes a solo attack unlikely.

I think that the Alpe will be the big stage, the corners will make it harder for somebody like Sky to control the pace. Though hopefully some riders will have the balls to attack on some of the less obvious GC stages.
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Re: 2013 TdF ~ Decisive stages

Postby greasedscotsman » Thu Jan 03, 2013 15:35 pm

inkyfingers wrote:I think that the Alpe will be the big stage, the corners will make it harder for somebody like Sky to control the pace.


Do you think? Why's that? I think the bigger problem could be the crowds closing down the amount of avaliable road and riders not being able to attack. A bit like what happened to Fabio Parra in '88.

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Re: 2013 TdF ~ Decisive stages

Postby frenchfighter » Thu Jan 03, 2013 15:37 pm

It is easier to chase a target and it is easier to use your 'train' when the roads are wider and less busy like on the Ventoux.
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Re: 2013 TdF ~ Decisive stages

Postby JonGinge » Thu Jan 03, 2013 15:40 pm

The road up the Alpe isn't that narrow though. The corners are pretty shallow too. It's only certain corners that are a problem (dutch corner esp.)

I remember the Fabio Parre stage in '88. The camera motorbikes couldn't get through the crowds fast enough to give the riders room to attack. They barriered the final few km after that.
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Re: 2013 TdF ~ Decisive stages

Postby inkyfingers » Thu Jan 03, 2013 15:41 pm

Even though the Alpe is not super steep, the corners (and the variation in incline) make it harder to ride it at a steady pace, The crowds could well cause a problem, but I still think that a top climber like Contador or Schleck is more likely to attack on the Alpe than on the Ventoux.
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Re: 2013 TdF ~ Decisive stages

Postby greasedscotsman » Thu Jan 03, 2013 15:53 pm

OK, that's a good point. I can remember Roche (or was it Millar) saying that he hated Alpe d'Huez due to the changes in gradient.

Think Ventoux will come down to how windy it is on the day. Could be decisive either way, if it's windy or not.


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