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funded bike cafe?

Postby markchalmers » Fri Jan 04, 2013 09:39 am

Hi guy's this may be a long shot but what do you think of a bike cafe style shop that also offers light maintenance on the go and classes on proper bike riding techniques and training the idea sounds good but the catch is I would like to attempt this all via funding either from the local council or the community.

Do you think this is a good idea - feedback welcome on both ends!

and could this really be a possibility?

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Postby pangolin » Fri Jan 04, 2013 09:43 am

The idea has potential to be a good one, it could be a nice cafe.

This sounds harsh I guess but, why should the council, or us, fund it though? It sounds a tad like you like the idea of running this place as a job, but don't have the capital and don't want to save up to do so.
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Postby mudcow007 » Fri Jan 04, 2013 09:50 am

there was a cafe in Liverpool city centre with a workshop attached that offered bike parking etc

it was a great cafe but it shut down not long after it opened, granted this was a few years ago when bikes were not as fashionable
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Postby markchalmers » Fri Jan 04, 2013 09:52 am

Living in Portsmouth There are ALOT of people in-fact - "The City of Portsmouth has a population of 207,100 and is the only city in England with a greater population density (5,145 /km2 (13,330 /sq mi)) than London" as you can imagine that means a lot of cars and even more traffic in a much smaller city.

I believe getting more people on Bikes and enjoying is something that EVERY person or Council with the power to do so should. Having more bikes = less cars and we all know thats good for everyone. The council are willing to throw money away all the time this is something I can see being of use to community and could even save money in the long run.

You may be right It does sound like I'm trying to sell something I'm not paying into but I have never run a shop nor do I have the time and I don't have any plans to quit my current my job. However I would be willing to volunteer in the shop whenever I can and also help with anything I can.

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Postby rubertoe » Fri Jan 04, 2013 09:55 am

Is this something that you are proposing to set up or are there already proposals in place?
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Postby markchalmers » Fri Jan 04, 2013 09:57 am

rubertoe wrote:Is this something that you are proposing to set up or are there already proposals in place?


This is something I am proposing. I would be happy to give the idea and details I've carved out to someone with more time influence if needs be I'm only trying to do this for the community.

All takes is one person to get the ball rolling :)

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Postby gtvlusso » Fri Jan 04, 2013 10:02 am

I think it is a great idea, in the right area.

Similar to this; I nearly bought a luxury B & B business in a lovely village in Exmoor. With the intention of setting it up as a training camp. So, luxury B & B, food, cafe/cake stop and bike maint. Offer bike training over Exmoor and triathlon training as it was also close to a lake.

Raising the cash was another issue though and ensuring a profit in the British climate.

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Postby Rolf F » Fri Jan 04, 2013 10:10 am

Local councils are making people redundant - I can't see them being able to justify funding businesses even if they wanted to.

And this sort of thing probably won't make money privately as the real money in commercial business is usually just in the property itself.
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Postby markchalmers » Fri Jan 04, 2013 10:17 am

I was trying got look into in a way that would benefit the whole community but of course cash is king so I guess you always need to make sure you are covering costs. I think with some real long talks with people and brain storming I can come up with a pretty solid business plan that would encapsulate my ideas and hopefully actually making the money it needs to stay afloat.

I believe there are a lot of options to pursue including apprentice scheme, volunteer work, Local Bike Shop Sponsorship (maybe a small shop selling parts bikes?) and a lot more. Maybe this is just me musing over the idea I mean everyone think's there ideas are great I guess, still thanks for humoring me guys :roll:

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Postby The Fuggler » Fri Jan 04, 2013 10:39 am

Hasn't the government launched a Community First programme that might be useful? No idea how it works, but I'm pretty sure a quick Google would reveal more.

Depending on the potential location and having a solid business plan, I would have thought you would be able to source some private funding.
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Postby gtvlusso » Fri Jan 04, 2013 10:41 am

markchalmers wrote:I was trying got look into in a way that would benefit the whole community but of course cash is king so I guess you always need to make sure you are covering costs. I think with some real long talks with people and brain storming I can come up with a pretty solid business plan that would encapsulate my ideas and hopefully actually making the money it needs to stay afloat.

I believe there are a lot of options to pursue including apprentice scheme, volunteer work, Local Bike Shop Sponsorship (maybe a small shop selling parts bikes?) and a lot more. Maybe this is just me musing over the idea I mean everyone think's there ideas are great I guess, still thanks for humoring me guys :roll:


Do it man!!!! Go to a major bike retailer with a business plan? get a plan together for the council - they will have some money for this - get the local cycle groups on your side too!

We have a place in Bristol called Mud Dock: http://www.mud-dock.co.uk/

They have a bar, cafe, Restaurant, Over priced bike shop and do workshop courses for self repair and have a monthly bike jumble. They also have showers and lockers for a monthly fee for city commuters - there is money to be made.

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Postby Kieran_Burns » Fri Jan 04, 2013 10:44 am

Sounds like that post of mine found some ground to grow on:)

viewtopic.php?f=40012&t=12893861

Maybe you should contact these guys and see what help they can provide with funding ideas
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Postby markchalmers » Fri Jan 04, 2013 10:50 am

Kieran_Burns wrote:Sounds like that post of mine found some ground to grow on:)

viewtopic.php?f=40012&t=12893861

Maybe you should contact these guys and see what help they can provide with funding ideas


Good Sir it was this post that inspired me :D

I think the Community First Program is a great idea!

I also think sponsoring a local race team could be an awesome Idea as there is a massive race track in Portsmouth that is used by loads of what I class as serious racers and it would be good to get them on in it. The reason I love riding my bike is the feel of "community" you get just by owning a bike you feel more connected to other bike owners (if you want to word it that way). The other day when I was walking home with a flat an older gentleman stopped to ask if I was OK and even offered me a spare inner-tube Even thought I declined the offer I was shocked by this. If I can give back in anyway I'd be very happy, I guess I just think this is something everyone can benefit from :D

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Postby BelgianBeerGeek » Fri Jan 04, 2013 12:18 pm

This is a good idea. It's true that local govt is short of money but if you ran it along the lines of a social enterprise/not-for-profit scheme they may well be interested. It's a way for councils to add their names to a scheme without too much risk for them.
Mrs BBGeek works in local govt and assures me this sort of local partnership is all the rage at the minute. If you do want to run it as your own business, there still might be help and grants available from the council.

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Postby jonomc4 » Fri Jan 04, 2013 13:29 pm

Local Government will probably not fund this but you could try the Big Issues invest - they have a private fund for community based projects - they will then loan you the money if they think the project has legs, you will pay it back out of profits.

I work in Regional Government and am aware of funding streams - I also know the chairman of the big issue fund as a friend - this type of project - provided you put a sensible business plan / costings together - along with social element e.g. creating jobs for long term unemployed or maybe formerly homless people, working within the community (not just cyclists).

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Postby davmaggs » Fri Jan 04, 2013 13:35 pm

markchalmers wrote:
This is something I am proposing. I would be happy to give the idea and details I've carved out to someone with more time influence if needs be I'm only trying to do this for the community.

All takes is one person to get the ball rolling :)


Ideas are two a penny and absolutely worthless, its implementation that counts. Handing off an internet idea to someone to slog their way into actually doing isn't of help

/negative rant

On a practical note (and from experience) you do not want to rely on grants. If you need year after year of grants to keep going then you'll close when local politics gets bored. If you need a lump sum to get started, then that is different.

The Little Cat Cafe in SE5 was started with lottery money and had all sorts of volunteers in the early days. They really brought life into the park, but they did have to change. The amateurs couldn't guarantee service, took a great deal of effort to manage (many lacked skills too) and so they gradually professionalised. The funding got them going.

Why not partner with an existing park cafe?



edit: typo

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Postby markchalmers » Fri Jan 04, 2013 13:39 pm

OK, so there is a possibility and support for this but I'd like to approach this knowing exactly what I need to make this work. This is where I am going to need some help from people in the know about funding IE my best approach.

Also I've never made a business plan before so what are stipulations or what would the council be looking for in a business plan. I have a very good idea of marketing the cafe and areas of interest for the community.

Thanks for all the feedback guys :D

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Postby markchalmers » Fri Jan 04, 2013 13:44 pm

davmaggs wrote:
markchalmers wrote:
This is something I am proposing. I would be happy to give the idea and details I've carved out to someone with more time influence if needs be I'm only trying to do this for the community.

All takes is one person to get the ball rolling :)


Ideas are two a penny and absolutely worthless, its implementation that counts. Handing off an internet idea to someone to slog their way into actually doing isn't of help

/negative rant

On a practical note (and from experience) you do not want to rely on grants. If you need year after year of grants to keep going then you'll close when local politics gets bored. If you need a lump sum to get started, then that is different.

The Little Cat Cafe in SE5 was started with lottery money and had all sorts of volunteers in the early days. They really brought life into the park, but they did have to change. The amateurs couldn't guarantee service, took a great deal of effort to manage (many lacked skills too) and so they gradually professionalized. The funding got them going.

Why not partner with an existing park cafe?



edit: typo


I would obviously take it further than here, As it is I've already started writing out a plan. I don't plan to just stick it on here an leave it I'm the sort of person that would follow it to the end. I do understand your point and I'm sure it happens often enough.

On another side of things there isn't any other Cafes local to Portsmouth and I'm not sure a cafe from London is going to want to offer anything to a town 70 miles away.

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Postby rubertoe » Fri Jan 04, 2013 13:48 pm

What about approaching an established LBS and picthing the idea to them as well.
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Postby risi » Fri Jan 04, 2013 13:57 pm

Something in the pipeline (spring, maybe) for Bristol http://www.rollforthesoul.org/

Might be worth contacting.
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