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walkingbootweather
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Blackberry 10

Postby walkingbootweather » Wed Jan 30, 2013 12:23 pm

I see BB10 is launched today. Been very unimpressed by the evasive Stephen Bates (RIM European Managing Director). Is there any hope for BB as a business device or would money be better spent elsewhere (Apple, Android, Windows)?
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Re: Blackberry 10

Postby FoldingJoe » Wed Jan 30, 2013 12:27 pm

Been hyped up by Stephen Fry - a well known gadget nerd, so seems like they might be moving in the right direction.
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Re: Blackberry 10

Postby mudcow007 » Wed Jan 30, 2013 12:34 pm

feel a bit sorry for blackberry, they were fantastic in 2008...but the os the phones run on is ancient which basically hasnt changed since 2008

an the app world thing is shocking compare it to itunes (spit) its prehistoric.

the only users now are kids (because of bbm) an companies who haven't replaced there handsets

we are moving to Samsung's this month, so i can finally get rid of my Bold
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Re: Blackberry 10

Postby mroli » Wed Jan 30, 2013 12:51 pm

My wife got a Samsung to replace her blackberry and hates it for writing/texting/emailing and even answering calls - not got the hang of the swipe to answer thing. She can't get on with a touch screen keypad (and I struggle on my touch screen phone compared to a BB). The email client is far superior to anything out there - but they need to sort out camera and web browser which are both inadequate and antiquated.

For me the apps thing isn't a big issue - but I can see why it may be for other people.

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Re: Blackberry 10

Postby BigLights » Wed Jan 30, 2013 13:01 pm

I get blackberry free through work, although we've started looking at iPhones now....Having had every iPhone since the 3G (including 3GS, 4, 4GS), I didn't get an iPhone 5 as i'm waiting for the new Samsung S4 which, if one believes the rumours, will be the last word in smartphone technology. So I think Blackberry will continue to struggle to grow (granted, they have far better security so corporates will need them), but I also think Apple may have reached its peak in the phone world. Apple was the new Blackberry, now Samsung is the new Apple.

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Re: Blackberry 10

Postby walkingbootweather » Wed Jan 30, 2013 13:06 pm

BigLights wrote: Apple was the new Blackberry, now Samsung is the new Apple.


So what you are saying is that Apple and Blackberry both used to be pretty tasty but are now starting to crumble?
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Re: Blackberry 10

Postby DrLex » Wed Jan 30, 2013 13:24 pm

walkingbootweather wrote:[...]Been very unimpressed by the evasive Stephen Bates[...]


Was he the chappie on BBC breakfast this morning? As slippery, 'on-message' and persuasive (which is not very) as a junior politico.
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Re: Blackberry 10

Postby walkingbootweather » Wed Jan 30, 2013 13:28 pm

DrLex wrote:
walkingbootweather wrote:[...]Been very unimpressed by the evasive Stephen Bates[...]


Was he the chappie on BBC breakfast this morning? As slippery, 'on-message' and persuasive (which is not very) as a junior politico.


That's the chappie. If anything he was even more evasive on the radio.
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Re: Blackberry 10

Postby DrLex » Wed Jan 30, 2013 13:34 pm

walkingbootweather wrote:That's the chappie. If anything he was even more evasive on the radio.


Ha - from your link -
BBC programme wrote:RIM has struggled due to tough competition Steph finds out why.


should read
"RIM has struggled due to tough competition Steph also struggles to find out why."
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Re: Blackberry 10

Postby mudcow007 » Wed Jan 30, 2013 13:38 pm

one thing i do like about blackberries, the synch with our mailserver software (Mdaemon) fantastically...although it probably helps that Mdaemon is owned/ created by RIM, who funnily enough own Blackberry
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Re: Blackberry 10

Postby SteppenHerring » Wed Jan 30, 2013 14:08 pm

mudcow007 wrote:one thing i do like about blackberries, the synch with our mailserver software (Mdaemon) fantastically...although it probably helps that Mdaemon is owned/ created by RIM, who funnily enough own Blackberry

That was the original selling point in the business world. Also an "App Store" (or whatever) is a liability on a business device. If you've got sensitive data on the device then really you (corporate IT) ought to be able to tightly control what shonky crap you install on it.

Sadly data security takes second place when senior execs start stamped their heels and whining "But I MUST have a Note 2".
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Re: Blackberry 10

Postby Ian.B » Wed Jan 30, 2013 14:17 pm

walkingbootweather wrote: So what you are saying is that Apple and Blackberry both used to be pretty tasty but are now starting to crumble?

:lol:

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Re: Blackberry 10

Postby notsoblue » Wed Jan 30, 2013 14:22 pm

I'm not a big fan of RIM and Blackberrys. I never saw the point of having to support a BES server in addition to Exchange when Exchange Activesync is so simple to run and has had pretty good security features for a while now (admittedly not quite on par with BES). Plus I think the devices are really awful. But people seem to live physical keyboards...

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Re: Blackberry 10

Postby spasypaddy » Wed Jan 30, 2013 15:46 pm

the new devices and OS are going to be amazing. unfortunately i think they are coming a year too late.

if these phones had been out last year i might not have jumped ship to android. and now theres no going back as ive bought too many apps and have more than one android device.

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Re: Blackberry 10

Postby meanredspider » Wed Jan 30, 2013 16:16 pm

I hate BBs with a passion - they infuriate me

Prime example is addresses. Start an email, select an addressee from my address book only to be told that there's no email address associated with this contact. Why show it to me then????? It's basic basic usability. Horrible devices.
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Re: Blackberry 10

Postby pangolin » Wed Jan 30, 2013 16:31 pm

Yeah agree they are horrific to use. Installing any apps as well requires a complete restart of the device! Which takes minutes, rather than seconds for other devices. Awful.

We have a playbook for testing at work. Abysmally unintuitive.
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Re: Blackberry 10

Postby vermin » Wed Jan 30, 2013 16:31 pm

SteppenHerring wrote:Sadly data security takes second place when senior execs start stamped their heels and whining "But I MUST have a Note 2".


So to avoid Blackberry hell, my Note 1 runs the Good For Enterprise app. Is that a security concern?

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Re: Blackberry 10

Postby vermin » Wed Jan 30, 2013 16:35 pm

pangolin wrote:We have a playbook for testing at work. Abysmally unintuitive.


Only because you're not used to it though. I had a go on a Mac the other day. I wanted to send an email, so I clicked on a postage stamp icon; I got a photo gallery. I wanted to look up a contact to whom to send the email, so I clicked on a face icon; I got a file explorer. I wanted to look at a map, so I clicked on a compass icon; I got a web browser. None of that makes any sense to me, and yet Apple is held up as the epitomy of intuitive UI design.

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Re: Blackberry 10

Postby meanredspider » Wed Jan 30, 2013 17:05 pm

vermin wrote:
pangolin wrote:We have a playbook for testing at work. Abysmally unintuitive.


Only because you're not used to it though. I had a go on a Mac the other day. I wanted to send an email, so I clicked on a postage stamp icon; I got a photo gallery. I wanted to look up a contact to whom to send the email, so I clicked on a face icon; I got a file explorer. I wanted to look at a map, so I clicked on a compass icon; I got a web browser. None of that makes any sense to me, and yet Apple is held up as the epitomy of intuitive UI design.


It's a fair point that "intuitive" is often learned from norms. All your examples are just your interpretation of icons rather than actions though. BB has very poor usability IMO (and part of my job is usability of electronic medical devices). Even after years of using it, I'm still not sure how some things work.
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Re: Blackberry 10

Postby Greg66 Tri v2.0 » Wed Jan 30, 2013 17:17 pm

mudcow007 wrote:the only users now are kids (because of bbm) an companies who haven't replaced there handsets


So true. 66 major's school is rife with BBs for this reason.

It seems to have prompted some unlimited text mobile tariffs though, which is good.

The only thing I thought my old BB Pearl did better than an iPhone was list all mail and text messages in a single inbox. Really don't get why Apple insists on separate apps for mail and SMS.
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