Blood Tests - Football ??

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Blood Tests - Football ??

Postby TomBombadil » Sat Feb 09, 2013 11:13 am

Not cycling but totally related in my opinion - Just discovered there are no blood tests in Football! They are in the dark ages. I am sick of seeing cyclists as dopers when they don't even bother doing Blood Tests in other sports as they don't think Blood Tests are 'ethical''.

At some point there going to have to get clean and the quicker they do it the better - because it's going to get dirty.

Apparently - "UEFA is ready to do it, but it poses some ethical problems because everyone has to accept that they will check the blood and not everybody is ready to do that."

Just read this article and needed to vent! BBC reporting Wenger wants Blood Doping tests?!!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/21393156

Ahhhhhhh! :shock: :evil:

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Postby ddraver » Sat Feb 09, 2013 11:46 am

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Postby No tA Doctor » Sat Feb 09, 2013 12:18 pm

Both stories are quite interesting.

Arsene Wenger has also said in the past that some of his new purchases arrived from abroad with dodgy blood values.

As an Arsenal fan I'm starting to wonder if there is a reason for our post-international dips in form.... Looking forward to getting tonked by Sunderland today :-(
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Postby gpreeves » Sat Feb 09, 2013 16:54 pm

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/arsenal/9858938/Arsene-Wenger-our-game-is-full-of-drug-fuelled-legends-and-needs-to-be-cleaned-up.html

Interesting thread, see the above link for a slightly expanded piece on Wenger's view. Unfortunately I have to agree with one of the comments on the article saying "Wenger is too intelligent for English soccer."

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Postby Richmond Racer » Sat Feb 09, 2013 16:57 pm

No tA Doctor wrote:Both stories are quite interesting.

Arsene Wenger has also said in the past that some of his new purchases arrived from abroad with dodgy blood values.

As an Arsenal fan I'm starting to wonder if there is a reason for our post-international dips in form.... Looking forward to getting tonked by Sunderland today :-(



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Postby Pross » Sat Feb 09, 2013 20:30 pm

Have a look in Road General under the Frank Schleck thread, there's some fool claiming football is clean as there have been no positive tests. He completely ignores the virtual absence of testing and complete lack of blood testing.

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Postby No tA Doctor » Sat Feb 09, 2013 20:32 pm

Pross wrote:Have a look in Road General under the Frank Schleck thread, there's some fool claiming football is clean as there have been no positive tests. He completely ignores the virtual absence of testing and complete lack of blood testing.


I've been arguing for ages with other Arsenal fans about this, the attitude is prevalent.

And no, we avoided getting tonked by Sunderland :-)
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Postby LutherB » Sat Feb 09, 2013 21:33 pm

Rafa Benitez responds. There's dodgy rumours about Alonso and i think he was a Rafa buy at Liverpool....i wonder if the rumours and the conspiracy theories that damage cycling combined with the doping itself will do the same for football over time?

http://www.london24.com/sport/chelsea/c ... _1_1892492

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Postby rob churchill » Sat Feb 09, 2013 22:20 pm

LutherB wrote:Rafa Benitez responds. There's dodgy rumours about Alonso and i think he was a Rafa buy at Liverpool....i wonder if the rumours and the conspiracy theories that damage cycling combined with the doping itself will do the same for football over time?

http://www.london24.com/sport/chelsea/c ... _1_1892492


Given the levels of cynical on-pitch cheating that footie fans are ready to countenance, I can't see them caring about a few 'roids. Even the match-fixing will be rationalised away.
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Postby Jez mon » Sat Feb 09, 2013 23:01 pm

Ay least 90% (figure totally made up) will just rationalise it saying football is a skill based sport, so blood doping etc. doesn't have the same direct impact as it does in endurance based sports.

Some parents might be put off putting their children in a position where they might have to dope, but realistically, I don't think the doping issue will get as much traction in the press as it does when cycling is the sport. No one is dying, and no one (so far) has been left with significant health problems. This is in contrast to the early days of blood doping in cycling, and the concussion problems in American football.
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Postby mroli » Sat Feb 09, 2013 23:10 pm

Wasn't Mayweather insisting that if he fought Paccquio that there would need to be blood testing? Again - was kind of amazed that this wasn't common place in boxing. Although its not as if blood testing has stopped doping....

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Postby TomBombadil » Sat Feb 09, 2013 23:13 pm

"I count myself very lucky' says Bolton midfielder Fabrice Muamba upon announcing retirement following heart attack!"

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/foot ... 50036.html


Wasn't this the type of problem that was seen in cycling??? Random heart events? If people have their eyes shut they will not see. Questions should be asked. Because it's out there now. If blood testing does not take place the Sports Authorities may be considered complicit in a cover up, true or not!

Not even isolated!! - Apparently cause wasn't identified??

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... z2KRkz3rbw

and

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news ... ack-795407


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Postby No tA Doctor » Sun Feb 10, 2013 00:04 am

TomBombadil wrote:"I count myself very lucky' says Bolton midfielder Fabrice Muamba upon announcing retirement following heart attack!"

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/foot ... 50036.html


Wasn't this the type of problem that was seen in cycling??? Random heart events? If people have their eyes shut they will not see. Questions should be asked. Because it's out there now. If blood testing does not take place the Sports Authorities may be considered complicit in a cover up, true or not!

Not even isolated!! - Apparently cause wasn't identified??

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... z2KRkz3rbw

and

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news ... ack-795407


Tom


No, it wasn't. Cyclists were dying in their beds, not on their bikes.
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Postby TomBombadil » Sun Feb 10, 2013 00:13 am

I'm sure you are right and they are quite different, as are the sports.

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Postby rob churchill » Sun Feb 10, 2013 00:41 am

No tA Doctor wrote:
TomBombadil wrote:"I count myself very lucky' says Bolton midfielder Fabrice Muamba upon announcing retirement following heart attack!"

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/foot ... 50036.html


Wasn't this the type of problem that was seen in cycling??? Random heart events? If people have their eyes shut they will not see. Questions should be asked. Because it's out there now. If blood testing does not take place the Sports Authorities may be considered complicit in a cover up, true or not!

Not even isolated!! - Apparently cause wasn't identified??

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... z2KRkz3rbw

and

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news ... ack-795407


Tom


No, it wasn't. Cyclists were dying in their beds, not on their bikes.


TBH, I was also planning on dying in my bed, not on my bike. But each to his own.
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Postby RichN95 » Sun Feb 10, 2013 10:57 am

TomBombadil wrote:"I count myself very lucky' says Bolton midfielder Fabrice Muamba upon announcing retirement following heart attack!"
http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/foot ... 50036.html
Wasn't this the type of problem that was seen in cycling??? Random heart events? If people have their eyes shut they will not see. Questions should be asked. Because it's out there now. If blood testing does not take place the Sports Authorities may be considered complicit in a cover up, true or not!

Not even isolated!! - Apparently cause wasn't identified??
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... z2KRkz3rbw
and
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news ... ack-795407
Tom


It's actually surprisingly common. On average a dozen people under 30 die that way every week in Britain alone.
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Postby Richmond Racer » Sun Feb 10, 2013 11:26 am

rob churchill wrote:
No tA Doctor wrote:
TomBombadil wrote:"I count myself very lucky' says Bolton midfielder Fabrice Muamba upon announcing retirement following heart attack!"

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/foot ... 50036.html


Wasn't this the type of problem that was seen in cycling??? Random heart events? If people have their eyes shut they will not see. Questions should be asked. Because it's out there now. If blood testing does not take place the Sports Authorities may be considered complicit in a cover up, true or not!

Not even isolated!! - Apparently cause wasn't identified??

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... z2KRkz3rbw

and

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news ... ack-795407


Tom


No, it wasn't. Cyclists were dying in their beds, not on their bikes.


TBH, I was also planning on dying in my bed, not on my bike. But each to his own.



I'm planning on riding up the Alpe in Jul. My hopes arent high for dying in my bed tbh.

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Re: Blood Tests - Football ??

Postby Cornerblock » Sun Feb 10, 2013 11:52 am

Richmond Racer wrote: I'm planning on riding up the Alpe in Jul. My hopes arent high for dying in my bed tbh.


There are ways!

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Postby Richmond Racer » Sun Feb 10, 2013 11:55 am

Cornerblock wrote:
Richmond Racer wrote: I'm planning on riding up the Alpe in Jul. My hopes arent high for dying in my bed tbh.


There are ways!



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Re: Blood Tests - Football ??

Postby dougzz » Sun Feb 10, 2013 11:58 am

Simples. The more money in a sport the more likely there is doping. Football, Tennis, Golf, MLB, NFL, and NBA.


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