Never Really Thought it would Happen

Come and join in the banter: discuss here anything you want, whether bike related or not!
User avatar
Dog Breath
Posts: 270
Joined: Mon Nov 17, 2008 12:34 pm

Never Really Thought it would Happen

Postby Dog Breath » Sun Nov 04, 2012 18:26 pm

Had just done half a mile at the start of a gentle pootle with the Mrs when a neandethal in a pickup sounds his horn behind me as I'm positioning myself to turn right. I had been towards the centre line for some time and signalling right. There was absolutely no other traffic on the road at the time. As he undertakes me, the meat-head shouts 'I PAY ROAD TAX'. He may have said other things that I did not hear. I called him an idiot.

He turns right at the same junction only to stop in another 50 yards outside some shops !! It was 9.30 on a quiet Sunday morning and I probably didn't even delay him by a second. Hardly rush hour when people can be stressed.

Just what was the point? I really do not understand some people. :(

DB
Planet-X SL Pro Carbon.
Tifosi CK3 Winter Bike
Planet X London Road Disc
Planet X RT80 Elite

User avatar
DrLex
Posts: 1824
Joined: Wed Aug 10, 2011 12:26 pm

Re: Never Really Thought it would Happen

Postby DrLex » Sun Nov 04, 2012 18:50 pm

Some people are just idiots; best to just ignore it and keep your karma.

However, I blame you for my hearing "Up the Junction" in my head, thanks to the thread title.

xcmad
Posts: 100
Joined: Sun Dec 12, 2010 19:22 pm

Re: Never Really Thought it would Happen

Postby xcmad » Sun Nov 04, 2012 19:02 pm

this road tax thing.... I really don't get it.

Are people stupid enough to think because we are riding a bike that we don't pay road tax? I pay for 2 cars to be on the road. What are they on about?

turnerjohn
Posts: 1243
Joined: Fri Nov 21, 2008 13:02 pm

Re: Never Really Thought it would Happen

Postby turnerjohn » Sun Nov 04, 2012 19:03 pm

can better that....got overtaken very slowly by some knobs in a Focus shouting stuff (didn't get it all) one even grabbed the tax disk out the car hung out the window shouting "get one of these" (I do have a car !) but didn't say a thing...just smilled at them....joke was on them as traffic built up and they had to stop....I filtered through, spanked it up the climb the other side and left them in the queue....I call that karma :lol:

User avatar
meanredspider
Posts: 9943
Joined: Fri Mar 26, 2010 15:24 pm

Re: Never Really Thought it would Happen

Postby meanredspider » Sun Nov 04, 2012 19:07 pm

It doesn't help that the Oxford entrance exam had a question on "road tax" asking whether it was fair to pay the same amount of "road tax" if you do more miles than average :roll:

When people bring up this point against cyclists, it just confirms them as thick
ROAD < Scott Foil HMX Di2, Volagi Liscio Di2, Jamis Renegade Elite Di2, Cube Reaction Race > ROUGH

User avatar
rubertoe
Posts: 3965
Joined: Thu Jun 02, 2011 17:14 pm

Re: Never Really Thought it would Happen

Postby rubertoe » Sun Nov 04, 2012 19:19 pm

I don't have a car. Does that make me scum cos I ride my bike on the road?
"If you always do what you've always done, you'll always get what you've always got."

PX Kaffenback 2 = Work Horse
B-Twin Alur 700 = Sundays and Hills

User avatar
Torvid
Posts: 447
Joined: Fri Aug 05, 2011 12:08 pm

Re: Never Really Thought it would Happen

Postby Torvid » Sun Nov 04, 2012 19:21 pm

rubertoe wrote:I don't have a car. Does that make me scum cos I ride my bike on the road?


yes you should start riding on the pavement ASAP, you can also now RLJ as you have no reason to know the highway code :)
Commuter: Forme Vision Red/Black FCN 4
Weekender: White/Black - Cube Agree GTC pro FCN 3

Duncanandthemachine
Posts: 227
Joined: Sat Sep 18, 2010 21:00 pm

Re: Never Really Thought it would Happen

Postby Duncanandthemachine » Sun Nov 04, 2012 19:28 pm

FYI folks, road tax was abolished in 1937. Vehicle Excise Duty actually pays for you to use a motorised vehicle on the road, and it goes into the general taxation pot, not some specific road fund. Not that the meatheads car, but I enjoy pointing out to them that they don't know the rules!

Try googling I Pay Road Tax.

User avatar
rubertoe
Posts: 3965
Joined: Thu Jun 02, 2011 17:14 pm

Re: Never Really Thought it would Happen

Postby rubertoe » Sun Nov 04, 2012 19:32 pm

Duncanandthemachine wrote:FYI folks, road tax was abolished in 1937. Vehicle Excise Duty actually pays for you to use a motorised vehicle on the road, and it goes into the general taxation pot, not some specific road fund. Not that the meatheads car, but I enjoy pointing out to them that they don't know the rules!

Try googling I Pay Road Tax.


Mine was a sarcastic response, I think the VEDS/Road Tax argument is well known round these parts.


I still don't drive though
"If you always do what you've always done, you'll always get what you've always got."

PX Kaffenback 2 = Work Horse
B-Twin Alur 700 = Sundays and Hills

xcmad
Posts: 100
Joined: Sun Dec 12, 2010 19:22 pm

Re: Never Really Thought it would Happen

Postby xcmad » Sun Nov 04, 2012 19:33 pm

thank you duncan and/or the machine for clarity

:)

User avatar
Coopster the 1st
Posts: 431
Joined: Fri Jul 17, 2009 10:28 am

Re: Never Really Thought it would Happen

Postby Coopster the 1st » Sun Nov 04, 2012 19:41 pm

Duncanandthemachine wrote:FYI folks, road tax was abolished in 1937. Vehicle Excise Duty actually pays for you to use a motorised vehicle on the road, and it goes into the general taxation pot, not some specific road fund. Not that the meatheads car, but I enjoy pointing out to them that they don't know the rules!

Try googling I Pay Road Tax.


I hate this response to the I pay road tax brigade.

If cyclists just said that VED is based on emissions, hence there is no need for a bicycle to pay road tax, it would get the message across a lot clearer rather than an over official message like above
Fair-weather commuter
Canyon Ultimate CF 8.0 in Black - WOW :)
Giant Defy 2 - FCN 4(summer) / 5(winter) - Great bike
Hybrid - FCN 8 - Relegated to the pub bike

User avatar
meanredspider
Posts: 9943
Joined: Fri Mar 26, 2010 15:24 pm

Re: Never Really Thought it would Happen

Postby meanredspider » Sun Nov 04, 2012 21:29 pm

Coopster the 1st wrote:
Duncanandthemachine wrote:FYI folks, road tax was abolished in 1937. Vehicle Excise Duty actually pays for you to use a motorised vehicle on the road, and it goes into the general taxation pot, not some specific road fund. Not that the meatheads car, but I enjoy pointing out to them that they don't know the rules!

Try googling I Pay Road Tax.


I hate this response to the I pay road tax brigade.

If cyclists just said that VED is based on emissions, hence there is no need for a bicycle to pay road tax, it would get the message across a lot clearer rather than an over official message like above


But that would be to replace one myth with another myth. If that were the case, we'd have a free tax disc (like other vehicles that pay no tax).
ROAD < Scott Foil HMX Di2, Volagi Liscio Di2, Jamis Renegade Elite Di2, Cube Reaction Race > ROUGH

SteppenHerring
Posts: 694
Joined: Wed Jun 03, 2009 19:49 pm

Re: Never Really Thought it would Happen

Postby SteppenHerring » Sun Nov 04, 2012 21:41 pm

To be honest, VED probably costs a metric fudgeload to implement and enforce. I would happily be rid of it, add the extra onto fuel (which covers the emissions component) and introduce insurance discs. Mainly just to shut these idiots up.
mroli wrote:(Michel) Roux has the scary eyes of an inner Begbie...

User avatar
DrLex
Posts: 1824
Joined: Wed Aug 10, 2011 12:26 pm

Re: Never Really Thought it would Happen

Postby DrLex » Sun Nov 04, 2012 22:09 pm

SteppenHerring wrote:To be honest, VED probably costs a metric fudgeload to implement and enforce. I would happily be rid of it, add the extra onto fuel (which covers the emissions component) and introduce insurance discs. Mainly just to shut these idiots up.


Trouble is, they'd then moan instead about insurance and/or the cost of fuel.

SteppenHerring
Posts: 694
Joined: Wed Jun 03, 2009 19:49 pm

Re: Never Really Thought it would Happen

Postby SteppenHerring » Sun Nov 04, 2012 22:35 pm

DrLex wrote:
SteppenHerring wrote:To be honest, VED probably costs a metric fudgeload to implement and enforce. I would happily be rid of it, add the extra onto fuel (which covers the emissions component) and introduce insurance discs. Mainly just to shut these idiots up.


Trouble is, they'd then moan instead about insurance and/or the cost of fuel.

They (we? I am a motorist too) whine about the cost of fuel regardless. To recoup the loss from VED you'd probably only have to add a couple of pence to a litre. Which considering rises due to other stuff is fark-all.
mroli wrote:(Michel) Roux has the scary eyes of an inner Begbie...

cyclingprop
Posts: 2358
Joined: Tue Nov 08, 2011 20:58 pm

Re: Never Really Thought it would Happen

Postby cyclingprop » Mon Nov 05, 2012 00:21 am

The VED link to emissions is there to drive (geddit) choice of vehicle, which would be lost if you rolled it in to fuel tax in my view.
What do you mean you think 64cm is a big frame?

User avatar
meanredspider
Posts: 9943
Joined: Fri Mar 26, 2010 15:24 pm

Re: Never Really Thought it would Happen

Postby meanredspider » Mon Nov 05, 2012 07:55 am

I think it's there to also stop people just "collecting" heaps of cars and leaving them in the road. I guess mandating insurance for a car parked on the road (rather than being driven which I guess is the requirement now) would achieve the same thing. VED also keeps cars MOT'd, though. Could you link an insurance disc to that? Again, you'd have to insist that any car kept on the road was MOT'd - and maybe introduce an MOT "disc" (why on earth are they round?)
ROAD < Scott Foil HMX Di2, Volagi Liscio Di2, Jamis Renegade Elite Di2, Cube Reaction Race > ROUGH

Adskis
Posts: 68
Joined: Wed Jul 20, 2011 12:32 pm

Re: Never Really Thought it would Happen

Postby Adskis » Mon Nov 05, 2012 11:42 am

Actually it's even more complicated than that.
The measure for the CO2 emission is done over a pre-determined engine test cycle. Some clever German car manufacturers are altering the output with mapping and smart exhausts.
So in the real world, the CO2 output is much higher than quoted (and therefore being paid for)

BigJimmyB
Posts: 1245
Joined: Sat May 31, 2008 17:55 pm

Re: Never Really Thought it would Happen

Postby BigJimmyB » Mon Nov 05, 2012 11:52 am

SteppenHerring wrote:To be honest, VED probably costs a metric fudgeload to implement and enforce. I would happily be rid of it, add the extra onto fuel (which covers the emissions component) and introduce insurance discs. Mainly just to shut these idiots up.


^this.

Your Insurance docs and MOT certificate should come with a disc that you have to display. Failure to display either one is 3 points.

Sick of my premiums going up every year to subsidise non-payers.

Add the VED to fuel. The more you use, the more you pay.

User avatar
MTB-Idle
Posts: 1260
Joined: Thu Oct 01, 2009 19:05 pm
Contact:

Re: Never Really Thought it would Happen

Postby MTB-Idle » Mon Nov 05, 2012 12:45 pm

I think you are all complicating the 'need' or 'purpose' of VED.

It's just another excuse to tax us, nothing more, nothing less.
FCN = 4


Return to “Commuting Chat”

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 0 guests