Bleed brakes through caliper only

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Bleed brakes through caliper only

Postby lappymatt » Wed Nov 14, 2012 20:43 pm

Hi all sorry if this has been asked recently

I have rounded off the bleed bolt on the brake lever :twisted: so cannot get it out to bleed them.

So can I carry out a bleed process by using the caliper only? I have a bleed kit.

Thanks all :D

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Re: Bleed brakes through caliper only

Postby stubs » Wed Nov 14, 2012 20:45 pm

What model of brake. Because the answer can be Yes, No, Maybe depending on brake
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Re: Bleed brakes through caliper only

Postby lappymatt » Wed Nov 14, 2012 20:52 pm

Of course, sorry. Elixir 5.

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Re: Bleed brakes through caliper only

Postby stubs » Wed Nov 14, 2012 21:17 pm

You will be able to bleed the caliper with a syringe by sucking some fresh brake fluid into syringe and connecting to caliper by screwing syringe and its adaptor into the bleed port. Then you can carefully apply gentle pressure to syringe then gently pulling on the syringe plunger to create a vacuum, this will pull air bubbles out of the caliper. If there is air in the hose or the lever mastercylinder then your boned.
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Re: Bleed brakes through caliper only

Postby lappymatt » Wed Nov 14, 2012 21:20 pm

.... oh I should add I have fitted a new hose, that's the reason for the bleed.

Grrr thanks mate I am going to try one last time with a flat head screw driver to get the bolt out.

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Re: Bleed brakes through caliper only

Postby stubs » Wed Nov 14, 2012 21:45 pm

Have you totally butchered the bleed screw. Never worked on a Elixir 5 but I presume its the same screw and location as other Elixir master cylinders. If thats the case it will be a T10 torx I think (not sure of that check it out first) get a quality T10 key put a thin piece of rag on the tip and you might get enough purchase to shift the screw. The rag is to fill in the damage to the screw.
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Re: Bleed brakes through caliper only

Postby thistle (MBNW) » Wed Nov 14, 2012 21:51 pm

When you fitted the hose, did you fill it with degassed fluid from the caliper before you connected it onto the lever?

I bought some Shimano brakes and had to shorten the hose. It was (almost) as simple as taking the old hose off, cutting it while still full of fluid then sticking it back on because the system was still full of fluid.

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Re: Bleed brakes through caliper only

Postby nicklouse » Wed Nov 14, 2012 22:04 pm

meta55matt wrote:Hi all sorry if this has been asked recently

I have rounded off the bleed bolt on the brake lever :twisted: so cannot get it out to bleed them.

So can I carry out a bleed process by using the caliper only? I have a bleed kit.

Thanks all :D

use the bleed port on the other side.
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Re: Bleed brakes through caliper only

Postby lappymatt » Thu Nov 15, 2012 07:29 am

stubs wrote:Have you totally butchered the bleed screw. Never worked on a Elixir 5 but I presume its the same screw and location as other Elixir master cylinders. If thats the case it will be a T10 torx I think (not sure of that check it out first) get a quality T10 key put a thin piece of rag on the tip and you might get enough purchase to shift the screw. The rag is to fill in the damage to the screw.



Yeah butchered it mate beyond recognition. It is now a perfect circle haha.


thistle (MBNW) wrote:When you fitted the hose, did you fill it with degassed fluid from the caliper before you connected it onto the lever?

I bought some Shimano brakes and had to shorten the hose. It was (almost) as simple as taking the old hose off, cutting it while still full of fluid then sticking it back on because the system was still full of fluid.



I think I will do this, take the hose back off, fill lever with fliud (degassed) then fill hose and fit hose. Then try bleeding that way.


Nick - couldn't find any other port on the other side.

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Re: Bleed brakes through caliper only

Postby stubs » Thu Nov 15, 2012 09:28 am

Unbolt the lever assembly and clamp it in a vice so that the bleed screw is dead vertical. Get a good quality T10 bit (not a screwdriver or key) any good hardware or motor factors should be able to sell you a single one not a whole set. Degrease the master cylinder bleed screw and the T10 bit. Get some liquid metal like JB Weld or similar mix it well in the correct proportions put a dab into the butchered hole poke it well in to make sure there are no air bubbles use a cocktail stick or similar then press the bit into the liquid metal what you are trying to do is fill all the holes you made. Leave it for 24 hours somewhere warm to really set solid, then put a blob of brake fluid on to try and lube and release the threads. Then very carefully trying to put only downward pressure not side pressure try and undo the screw. If you get it out throw in bin and order a new one.

It might work I have managed to shift similarly butchered Magneto and points screws on old cars and M/bikes.
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Re: Bleed brakes through caliper only

Postby stubs » Thu Nov 15, 2012 09:31 am

meta55matt wrote:
thistle (MBNW) wrote:When you fitted the hose, did you fill it with degassed fluid from the caliper before you connected it onto the lever?

I bought some Shimano brakes and had to shorten the hose. It was (almost) as simple as taking the old hose off, cutting it while still full of fluid then sticking it back on because the system was still full of fluid.



I think I will do this, take the hose back off, fill lever with fliud (degassed) then fill hose and fit hose. Then try bleeding that way.



You will need to leave the hose disconnected at the lever and push fresh fluid up from caliper till it bubbles out of the hose then reconnect you might get away with it.
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Re: Bleed brakes through caliper only

Postby lappymatt » Thu Nov 15, 2012 09:45 am

Will give that a go, cheers for the help Stubs.

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Re: Bleed brakes through caliper only

Postby stubs » Thu Nov 15, 2012 09:56 am

Chain Reaction are selling off Elixir 1 brakes for £34.99 Elixir 1 If nothing works you could buy one and just use the lever assembly I believe all Avids use the same threads and fittings.
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Re: Bleed brakes through caliper only

Postby The Rookie » Thu Nov 15, 2012 10:58 am

Can you use a dremel or similar to cut a screwdriver slot in it? Usually works for me.

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Re: Bleed brakes through caliper only

Postby stubs » Thu Nov 15, 2012 11:12 am

The Beginner wrote:Can you use a dremel or similar to cut a screwdriver slot in it? Usually works for me.


Though I am not 100% certain as I have never worked on that particular model, most Elixir lever bleed screws are flush with the body of the assembly and getting a Dremel to cut might make a mess of the alloy. I have a set of tiny easy outs that might have pulled the screw out but going by the OPs description it sounds like its too far gone. Another possibility is seeing if a T15 bit can be bashed in or an Allen key bit. Though it would have to be done carefully so as not to damage the soft alloy or the Taperbore piston.

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Re: Bleed brakes through caliper only

Postby The Rookie » Thu Nov 15, 2012 11:15 am

I got a rounded recessed out of a Shimano calliper, wear down a cutting disc until it's just big enough.....sorted.

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Re: Bleed brakes through caliper only

Postby Biggus86 » Thu Nov 15, 2012 11:22 am

As said above, as well as cutting screwdriver slot into it, you could get some small "EZ outs" to extract the rounded bolt.
If you buy a new lever, you can still do this and have a spare lever assy

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Re: Bleed brakes through caliper only

Postby lappymatt » Thu Nov 15, 2012 11:24 am

I'd rather try and bleed with the bolt still in there - the only reason I am doing this whole escapade is because I accidently put my stanley knife blade through the old hose when giving the bike a service so this is a cost i did not need/want :twisted: :lol:

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Re: Bleed brakes through caliper only

Postby The Rookie » Thu Nov 15, 2012 12:36 pm

You need a hole at the lever end somewhere to let air out.....you could try just loosening the hose so you can bleed from caliper to end of hose, but that won't bleed the lever or fill it. Seeing as how you cut a hose and then rounded the bolt out by accident, perhaps you should get a shop to help?

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Re: Bleed brakes through caliper only

Postby lappymatt » Thu Nov 15, 2012 13:05 pm

Haha no mate I am a fully qualified car mechanic and have the tools and ability to work on a bike, I was merely rushing and overlooked a couple of things so my fault as to why this has happened. No biggy.


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