1 x 10 without a chainguard?

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1 x 10 without a chainguard?

Postby TheJackal » Mon Nov 19, 2012 23:11 pm

Would love to lose my front shifters and derailleur but can't see the point if I've got to add a chainguard on a single front 39T chainring.

Do any of youse run a single front chainring without a chainguard for XC?

My rear derailleur is a standard XX 10 speed.
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Re: 1 x 10 without a chainguard?

Postby josep » Mon Nov 19, 2012 23:40 pm

Wouldn't recommend it, I tried to run 1x9 without a chain guide a i dropped the chain twice on a 8 mile ride. Then i got a simple ethirteen top guide and i haven't dropped the chain in 2 years!

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Re: 1 x 10 without a chainguard?

Postby nicklouse » Mon Nov 19, 2012 23:42 pm

just lock out the front mech.
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Re: 1 x 10 without a chainguard?

Postby The Rookie » Tue Nov 20, 2012 12:04 pm

Many ways of keeping the chain on, crossed fingers isn't one that works!

Bash and inner ring, bash and n-gear jump stop, bespoke chain guide or old front mech all work.

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Re: 1 x 10 without a chainguard?

Postby 70\'sPenguin » Tue Nov 20, 2012 14:43 pm

Two light methods:

1. Paul's Chainkeeper - very neat and minimal and only 70g http://www.paulcomp.com/ckclamp.html
2. BBG superlight bash - 40g http://www.bbgbashguard.com/superlights.html with N-Gear Jump Stop http://www.billys.co.uk/english/group.php?prod=chng-js about 30g
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Re: 1 x 10 without a chainguard?

Postby leaflite » Tue Nov 20, 2012 18:26 pm

I use a superstar top guide which is very light and cost me £16. Comes in a range of colours too.

I had a few chainkeeping issues initially, but after playing around with the the angle a bit and spacing it out slightly, the chain hasnt come off since. I would reccomend it, especially as it costs less than half of some similar big brand products.

Since I had issues with the non adjusted top guide, I definitely would not want to try it without a guide at all.


You could always go to sram xx1 though, if you're loaded.

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Re: 1 x 10 without a chainguard?

Postby TheJackal » Tue Nov 20, 2012 21:52 pm

Many thanks to you all. I might check out the cost of some of the suggestions. Despite only having a 11-28 cassette on the back, I just never use the smaller front ring, hence my question.
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Re: 1 x 10 without a chainguard?

Postby The Rookie » Wed Nov 21, 2012 06:03 am

So just wind the mech out on the low stop and use that as your GUIDE.

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Re: 1 x 10 without a chainguard?

Postby TheJackal » Fri Nov 30, 2012 22:38 pm

Tried the Superstar Chain device but found that because I'm trying to fit it to the outside ring of an XX chainset, it doesn't seem to stretch far enough to fit.

Without modifying it, that is. Currently working on trying to insert some sort of washer-come-bolt in between the chain top guide and the backplate, just to push the top guide out far enough so that it doesn't rub the chain. Might have to get a long bolt to do this.

I've also ordered a Paul Chainkeeper from the States.
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Re: 1 x 10 without a chainguard?

Postby 70\'sPenguin » Fri Nov 30, 2012 22:45 pm

Is there not enough clearance from the chainstay to put the 39t on the middle ring setting?

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Re: 1 x 10 without a chainguard?

Postby The Rookie » Fri Nov 30, 2012 23:24 pm

Put it in the outer location and you'll have a 1x9 as you should never use the largest gear at the back as you'll be cross chaining......

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Re: 1 x 10 without a chainguard?

Postby njee20 » Sat Dec 01, 2012 14:57 pm

39t single with 11-28? May I recommend Sir either finds some hills or gives the BCF a tinkle.

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Re: 1 x 10 without a chainguard?

Postby TheJackal » Sat Dec 01, 2012 23:33 pm

Couldn't move the outer to the middle, as it's an XX double.

Modified the backplate by inserting some hard plastic, 4mm thick, as a washer-come-packing. Drilled it, so that the bolt can go through and hold it in place. Seems nice and tight but I haven't ridden it yet but will let you know.

Slight rub on the largest sprocket which I'll only ever use in extremis, due to cross chaining, so good to go.

Njee, mate. Give us BCF's number and I'll get in touch :) Dinner plates on the rear are for wusses!

Seriously though, have you seen that new XXI cassette? It's about half the size of the flaming wheel. What's all that about?
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Re: 1 x 10 without a chainguard?

Postby The Rookie » Sun Dec 02, 2012 07:35 am

Seems dumb to go 1x10 with a crankset that won't work....why not get one that will?

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Re: 1 x 10 without a chainguard?

Postby mattjevans » Sun Dec 02, 2012 08:18 am

39t single with 11-28? May I recommend Sir either finds some hills or gives the BCF a tinkle.


That should be fine in the hills. As long as you only want to go down...

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Re: 1 x 10 without a chainguard?

Postby njee20 » Sun Dec 02, 2012 09:54 am

Njee, mate. Give us BCF's number and I'll get in touch Dinner plates on the rear are for wusses!

Seriously though, have you seen that new XXI cassette? It's about half the size of the flaming wheel. What's all that about?


It's designed primarily for Enduro racing, but I'd definitely use it for XC. Good enough for half the Olympic field after all.

In all seriousness though, I assume you live somewhere very flat? That strikes me as an incredibly limiting choice.

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Re: 1 x 10 without a chainguard?

Postby TheJackal » Sun Dec 02, 2012 10:05 am

I've never done Snowdon or would be able to do it on such a ratio but I do single speed most of the time so gears, any gears, are a luxury, IMHO.

And it's certainly not flat around these parts.

As for the choice of chainset, Beginner. The XX is what's been fitted for the last year. You're not seriously suggesting that I scrap a perfectly good chainset, when there are chain guides that will work on a double, are you?

The Suoerstar one just needed a little bit of modification, that's all. In an ideal World the Paul one would have been available over here but it wasn't!

Anyway, I'll test it out this week and let you know.
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Re: 1 x 10 without a chainguard?

Postby njee20 » Sun Dec 02, 2012 10:38 am

Fair enough. Seems very odd to me. SS is one thing, but you have all the disadvantages and none of the advantages! Clearly a well specced bike, why limit it?

Are you using the stock ring too? I found my XX big ring wore in no time, and would suggest chain retention will then be crap running single.

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Re: 1 x 10 without a chainguard?

Postby TheJackal » Sun Dec 02, 2012 13:58 pm

By the same token, why carry stuff around that's never used?

Never touched the small ring or the shifters. Might as well cash in, as they and the front derailleur have never been touched.

If I ever do Snowdon or the like I'll put 'em back on!

The stock big ring seems OK but as I said I'll ride it and see what happens. If it wears, I'd have to replace it any way.

Thanks for your concerns.
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Re: 1 x 10 without a chainguard?

Postby The Rookie » Mon Dec 03, 2012 09:03 am

What were suggesting is building it right to take advantage of what you have, rather than building it wrong so you don't......


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