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limoneboy
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eureka moment

Postby limoneboy » Mon Nov 26, 2012 22:48 pm

So i little bit of advice for beginner searching for a new bike for next season , i have been road cycling again for 4 years and in this time become 40% faster , now i put this down to fitness and also lighter more expensive bikes ,in fact my current summer ride comes in at 5k ! but this winter i have been riding my winter ploder a focus xcross mares with std wheels std kit and weighs 9.5kg. yesterday on my std course with full winter gear on (its very cold up here) and this donkey i only clocked 2kmh average less than on my 6kg summer beauty.

So is my summer bike worth the 4.2k more, i have come to the expensive conclusion that the answer is a big no.

save your money get fitter on a heaver bike and spend the excess on cycling holidays

got to go ,need to browse the net for more more lightweight stuff i don't need :D
last month wilier gt -this month ? bh rc1

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Re: eureka moment

Postby cougie » Mon Nov 26, 2012 23:57 pm

I quite agree. It's diminishing returns once you get past a grand or so.

Most of my good memories of cycling are from fantastic rides in the Alps. You can have a fair few weekends over there for the price of a top spec bike.

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Re: eureka moment

Postby nolight » Tue Nov 27, 2012 05:10 am

Yes! Bike upgrades are expensive. Far cheaper to lose 1 kg of bodyweight than lose 500g bike weight going from 105 to Duraace groupset!

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Re: eureka moment

Postby Bustacapp » Tue Nov 27, 2012 10:46 am

My bike cost £330 brand new.

I bet it's every bit as fast as yours.

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Re: eureka moment

Postby Htron » Tue Nov 27, 2012 10:50 am

I'm rocking a 90's steel £130 eBay special with full mudguards at the moment. The engine is still the limiting factor in my riding.

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Re: eureka moment

Postby PaulG99 » Tue Nov 27, 2012 12:49 pm

limoneboy wrote:my winter ploder a focus xcross mares with std wheels std kit and weighs 9.5kg. yesterday on my std course with full winter gear on (its very cold up here) and this donkey


How dare you call my shiny new Focus Mares a donkey!! :wink:

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Re: eureka moment

Postby limoneboy » Tue Nov 27, 2012 18:26 pm

Bustacapp wrote:My bike cost £330 brand new.

I bet it's every bit as fast as yours.


its not the bike , its mostly the rider ,that's the whole point of this thread, but i would rather ride my 5k bh down monti baldo 6000ft at 55mph than a £330 bike A)it stopped when i asked it on trp 970sl brakes B) it went were i asked it.

that is not my normal riding route ,much less challenging normally so winter bike is o.k.

race you down that mountain in italy and see who survives :D
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Re: eureka moment

Postby Briggo » Tue Nov 27, 2012 18:54 pm

Bustacapp wrote:My bike cost £330 brand new.

I bet it's every bit as fast as yours.


If that's the case why doesn't Mr Wiggins ride that £330 bike?

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Re: eureka moment

Postby john1967 » Tue Nov 27, 2012 20:38 pm

remember what you have is a thoroughbred racing bike deigned to shave time were it counts.2 kph is giving you a chance of being 2000 meters further up the road than the other guy.When its time to climb the tourmalet i wont be looking to borrow bustacapps bike but id love to give it a go on a 6kg machine.

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Re: eureka moment

Postby hipshot » Tue Nov 27, 2012 20:54 pm

Briggo wrote:If that's the case why doesn't Mr Wiggins ride that £330 bike?


Because his Pinarello is better. The point is there isn't much in it beyond a certain level.

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Re: eureka moment

Postby TakeTurns » Tue Nov 27, 2012 21:16 pm

Briggo wrote:
Bustacapp wrote:My bike cost £330 brand new.

I bet it's every bit as fast as yours.


If that's the case why doesn't Mr Wiggins ride that £330 bike?


He laid the bait...and you bit.

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Re: eureka moment

Postby elderone » Tue Nov 27, 2012 21:21 pm

Briggo wrote:
Bustacapp wrote:My bike cost £330 brand new.

I bet it's every bit as fast as yours.


If that's the case why doesn't Mr Wiggins ride that £330 bike?

Because he doesnt have to,but i,d put my mortgage on it that on a £330 wiggins would still beat every one on here.
The benefits of lite weight etc come to play when your actually good enough to gain from said benefits.
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Re: eureka moment

Postby Briggo » Tue Nov 27, 2012 23:10 pm

TakeTurns wrote:
Briggo wrote:
Bustacapp wrote:My bike cost £330 brand new.

I bet it's every bit as fast as yours.


If that's the case why doesn't Mr Wiggins ride that £330 bike?


He laid the bait...and you bit.


Because its such a stupid comment.

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Re: eureka moment

Postby Bustacapp » Tue Nov 27, 2012 23:21 pm

Briggo wrote:
Bustacapp wrote:My bike cost £330 brand new.

I bet it's every bit as fast as yours.


If that's the case why doesn't Mr Wiggins ride that £330 bike?



Because he's contracted to ride the Pinarello? I bet he'd own you on a Grifter. Get my point?

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Re: eureka moment

Postby CiB » Wed Nov 28, 2012 00:28 am

It's all about speed is it then? Nothing to do with smooth gear changes, smooth progressive braking, smooth rides on nice wheels wearing proper tyres and decent bearings that seem to roll forever, and a BB that doesn't flex and creak when you're out of the saddle up a hill, a frame that rewards your efforts by not soaking up a good chunk of your energy as you dance on the pedals trying to wrestle the bars from the headset in pursuit of some unlikely goal? And it's nothing whatsoever to do with getting home after a ride and looking at the bike & thinking - knowing - that that's a really nice bike that you've just been out on? No? For 300 notes you get the same joy and pleasure as you would on a Di2 carbon road burner that your legs can propel only the tiniest bit faster, but gives you a million dollar ride? Really? Just me then.

You're welcome to your cheap bike, and you'll probably beat me on it. Ask me who's enjoying the ride to the finish though. And which one would I rather spend 6 hours on. :wink:

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Re: eureka moment

Postby Charlie Potatoes » Wed Nov 28, 2012 01:35 am

limoneboy wrote: i only clocked 2kmh average less than on my 6kg summer beauty.
So is my summer bike worth the 4.2k more, i have come to the expensive conclusion that the answer is a big no.


What am I missing here?

2kms/hour. That is a massive difference. :shock:

IMO the answer is a big YES PLEASE


And that's without considering all the other benefits quoted by CiB in the above post. :)
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Re: eureka moment

Postby Briggo » Wed Nov 28, 2012 07:57 am

Bustacapp wrote:
Briggo wrote:
Bustacapp wrote:My bike cost £330 brand new.

I bet it's every bit as fast as yours.


If that's the case why doesn't Mr Wiggins ride that £330 bike?



Because he's contracted to ride the Pinarello? I bet he'd own you on a Grifter. Get my point?


The point is those at that level are on an equal basis which makes a fair comparison to then highlight how much difference a good bike makes.

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Re: eureka moment

Postby cougie » Wed Nov 28, 2012 08:22 am

Clearly they're not all on an equal basis or the races would be a dead heat.
Put cav on a decent bike and he will likely win a sprint. Give him the special limited edition bike and he will still win.
Was it the Rapha or planet x team that were racing well on ultegra as they didn't think DA was any benefit to them for the extra cost ?

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Re: eureka moment

Postby Bustacapp » Wed Nov 28, 2012 08:41 am

Briggo wrote:
Bustacapp wrote:
Briggo wrote:
Bustacapp wrote:My bike cost £330 brand new.

I bet it's every bit as fast as yours.


If that's the case why doesn't Mr Wiggins ride that £330 bike?



Because he's contracted to ride the Pinarello? I bet he'd own you on a Grifter. Get my point?


The point is those at that level are on an equal basis which makes a fair comparison to then highlight how much difference a good bike makes.



Precisely. Is the OP at their level? Is the majority of the riders on here who spend over £330 for a bike at their level? No. I get that people like to buy shiny things they are into, but when they try to justify it by saying "I will be faster" it just makes me lol inside.

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Re: eureka moment

Postby MartAstur » Wed Nov 28, 2012 08:45 am

I started cycling recently and was using an old bike I had had for 20 years, Bought a new carbon bike and made so much difference not just to my speed but it increased my enjoyment of cycling. I only paid 1k and I'm sure spending another 3k wouldn't make me much faster but the point is, is if you have that 3k more to spend on a bike and it makes you happy then go for it.
Marginal gains at our level of cycling are more to do with marginal gains to our overall enjoyment of cycling and not so much about marginal gains to our speed.


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