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Lawyer tabs - does/did your bike have them

Postby lotus49 » Tue Dec 04, 2012 11:33 am

How common are lawyer tabs outside the US?

Did your bike come with them and does it still have them (ie did you file them off)?

They strike me as annoyingly stupid as there isn't much advantage to having a quick release if you still cannot get the wheel out without unscrewing the QR, but I'm not sure how common they are?

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Re: Lawyer tabs - does/did your bike have them

Postby Graeme_S » Tue Dec 04, 2012 11:40 am

All my bikes have them, I haven't filed them off. I agree they're a pain, but it's still easier/quicker to get the front wheel on and off than it is on my fixie which has track nuts on both the front and rear wheel.

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Postby keef66 » Tue Dec 04, 2012 11:50 am

My bike has them. Found them annoying at first and thought about filing them off, but the number of times I have to take the front wheel off I'm not sure I'll bother.

If I was racing with a support car full of spare wheels, I'd probably file them off.

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Postby alfablue » Tue Dec 04, 2012 12:02 pm

8 of my 9 bikes have them on the forks; the exception is a 1997 Dawes Audax 531. I accidently (honest!) forgot to tighten the q/r on my g/f's mountain bike before a ride round the Timberland Trail, after a while she told me the wheel was rattling :oops: . The Tabs probably kept the wheel on the bike and saved her from injury and me from a beating!
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Postby bompington » Tue Dec 04, 2012 12:02 pm

Was a bit dismayed when I discovered my new fork (road) had them. I'm going to file them off for the 0.5g weight saving and the extra aero advantage ;-)
I can understand why you might think they were a good idea on violently ridden, disc-equipped MTBs. But even then, is there any evidence that the wheel can come off if the QR is done up properly?

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Postby alfablue » Tue Dec 04, 2012 12:03 pm

bompington wrote: But even then, is there any evidence that the wheel can come off if the QR is done up properly?
As above, I think its when the QR isn't done up properly when they have a use. Protects the stupid or careless :oops:

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Postby Dales1 » Tue Dec 04, 2012 12:34 pm

My BMC has them. Really irritating and unnecessary. But the wheel doesn't come out much, so I haven't taken a file to the carbon fibres. Colin Chapman would have filed them off - he never gave even a washer a free ride.

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Postby lotus49 » Tue Dec 04, 2012 13:32 pm

Dales1 wrote:My BMC has them. Really irritating and unnecessary. But the wheel doesn't come out much, so I haven't taken a file to the carbon fibres. Colin Chapman would have filed them off - he never gave even a washer a free ride.

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I hadn't thought of carbon bikes having them. I sort of assumed (without really thinking about it) that they were less likely to appear on more expensive bikes. I dare say taking a file to carbon forks may not be a good idea.

I don't know if you referred to Colin Chapman because of my username but as you can probably guess, he was a bit of a hero of mine and would indeed have given them short shrift. That said, he wasn't the one driving the cars :wink: .

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Postby alfablue » Tue Dec 04, 2012 13:42 pm

I don't think they are much of a nuisance; everyone is in such a rush these days :roll: . Unless you're racing, just take the extra 2.1 seconds to remove the wheel and be thankful that this is protecting the stupid and careless from themselves.

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Postby utgaardaolle » Tue Dec 04, 2012 14:36 pm

I had to google to find out what you where discussing. Nope, never seen them on any of my bikes over here in Sweden. Aparently we are still trusted to keep our weels on while riding.

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Postby FatTed » Wed Dec 05, 2012 01:53 am

Neither my Colnago MXL or my Llewellyn Custodian have Lawyer Tabs.

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Re: Lawyer tabs - does/did your bike have them

Postby Rolf F » Wed Dec 05, 2012 09:28 am

lotus49 wrote:I don't know if you referred to Colin Chapman because of my username but as you can probably guess, he was a bit of a hero of mine and would indeed have given them short shrift. That said, he wasn't the one driving the cars :wink: .


Not only would Chapman have filed them off he'd have drilled the forks to save weight. And then he'd have had them chrome plated......

I can't see why anyone would lose any sleep over their presence - an odd thing to get irritated by!
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Postby alfablue » Wed Dec 05, 2012 09:43 am

Rolf F wrote:
lotus49 wrote:I don't know if you referred to Colin Chapman because of my username but as you can probably guess, he was a bit of a hero of mine and would indeed have given them short shrift. That said, he wasn't the one driving the cars :wink: .


Not only would Chapman have filed them off he'd have drilled the forks to save weight. And then he'd have had them chrome plated......
and then have a catastrophic failure and go back to the drawing board

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Postby BillyMansell » Wed Dec 05, 2012 09:58 am

Back in the early nineties when racing bikes didn't come with tabs as standard, my brother was training one day doing 30+mph down a hill when for some unknown reason the front quick release came loose, the wheel popped out and he landed on his head.

He was in an induced coma for several days due to brain swelling, lost a lot of skin of his face, couldn't ride for several months and missed out on Olympic selection. By comparison, fork tabs are a welcome minor inconvenience.

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Postby ChrisAOnABike » Wed Dec 05, 2012 10:11 am

My Giant Defy has them (I had to look them up too, before I knew what they were).

I won't be filing them off. I'm so fast already that I need the air resistance to make training worthwhile. That, and the fact that I hardly ever take the wheels off... in fact, I haven't taken the rear one off at all yet. I took the front one off to see how QR works, since the last time I had a bike it had wheel nuts. I then had to use YouTube to make sure I got it back on right :oops:
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Re: Lawyer tabs - does/did your bike have them

Postby alfablue » Wed Dec 05, 2012 10:15 am

I don't think you'll have tabs on the rear

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Re: Lawyer tabs - does/did your bike have them

Postby Rolf F » Wed Dec 05, 2012 11:16 am

alfablue wrote:
Rolf F wrote:
lotus49 wrote:I don't know if you referred to Colin Chapman because of my username but as you can probably guess, he was a bit of a hero of mine and would indeed have given them short shrift. That said, he wasn't the one driving the cars :wink: .


Not only would Chapman have filed them off he'd have drilled the forks to save weight. And then he'd have had them chrome plated......
and then have a catastrophic failure and go back to the drawing board


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Re: Lawyer tabs - does/did your bike have them

Postby drlodge » Wed Dec 05, 2012 16:42 pm

The carbon forks on my Rourke 953 have these tabs and I find it really quite annoying since its difficult to get the exact same tightness each time when putting on the wheel. With the Campag hubs, the hub bearing adjustment is affected by the pressure of the quick release - tighter the release, the more pressure on the hub and the tighter the adjustment is. Not quite tight enough, and there's play in the bearing.
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Re: Lawyer tabs - does/did your bike have them

Postby andrew_s » Wed Dec 05, 2012 22:17 pm

bompington wrote:I can understand why you might think they were a good idea on violently ridden, disc-equipped MTBs. But even then, is there any evidence that the wheel can come off if the QR is done up properly?

I've seen it happen, fortunately at very low speed and within walking distance of a shop that would sell a new set of forks.
The rider concerned had got a new bike with hydraulic brakes and no lawyer lips, and had been previously playing with the brakes by slamming them on hard in all the hairpins on alpine descents.
The net ejection force on a vigorously used disc brake can be over your bodyweight, and if a weak QR allows any movement at all the QR will loosen itself over time. A weak QR is mostly anything except for Shimano.

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Re: Lawyer tabs - does/did your bike have them

Postby KentPhil » Thu Dec 06, 2012 08:21 am

Don't file the lawyer tabs off or you'll fall under the wrath of the UCI

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