AICAR / France 2

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AICAR / France 2

Postby iainf72 » Sun Jan 06, 2013 18:37 pm

Report on AICAR usage tonight - Test coming shortly.

It seems there was a lot of nudge nudge, wink wink type of talk in it. Summarised nicely by inrng

https://twitter.com/inrng/status/287975754355056641
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Re: AICAR / France 2

Postby TheBigBean » Sun Jan 06, 2013 18:40 pm

Forgive my ignorance - is AICAR some sort of drug?

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Re: AICAR / France 2

Postby iainf72 » Sun Jan 06, 2013 18:47 pm

Yes, a currently undetectable one that amongst other thing promotes significant weight loss.

When it first emerged a lot of riders looked very very lean
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Re: AICAR / France 2

Postby iainf72 » Sun Jan 06, 2013 18:50 pm

Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.

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Re: AICAR / France 2

Postby RichN95 » Sun Jan 06, 2013 18:57 pm

Can you still lose weight by eating less food? Because if not the New Year diet is screwed already.
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Re: AICAR / France 2

Postby zammmmo » Sun Jan 06, 2013 18:58 pm

Presumably the test could be used retrospectively? Obviously pro riders and usually pure climbers have always been lean but can't think of many in the last couple of years particularly standing out as taking things to a new level apart from the inrng.com intimation.

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Re: AICAR / France 2

Postby Richmond Racer » Sun Jan 06, 2013 19:02 pm

Some shots of David Millar look Wiggo-esque - REALLY skinny and long legs and body - and have since Wiggo left the track after 08

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Re: AICAR / France 2

Postby Richmond Racer » Sun Jan 06, 2013 19:22 pm

Seems to be a bit of confusion. I saw one cycling journo tweet last week that he thought a test was already developed for this, and also Daniel Friebe's just tweeted that he thought one had been developed in 2011

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Re: AICAR / France 2

Postby The_Slowboat » Sun Jan 06, 2013 19:36 pm

Further to Zammmmo's post, in general to what extent do authorities test retrospectively, I assume all samples are held for future use? I must confess things like blood values or testing procedures are things I know nothing about.

I recall reading whispers about USADA having Armstrong samples that were re tested.

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Re: AICAR / France 2

Postby TheBigBean » Sun Jan 06, 2013 19:42 pm

zammmmo wrote:Presumably the test could be used retrospectively?


It could be and should be, but they only take two samples:A and B, and A will already have been used.

Personally, I think they should take three samples, and re-test everyone a set number of years later, but that wouldn't be very popular with the pros - like the LA stuff.

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Re: AICAR / France 2

Postby EKIMIKE » Sun Jan 06, 2013 19:49 pm

What, so they use the entire sample to do the test? Surely not?

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Re: AICAR / France 2

Postby Rick Chasey » Sun Jan 06, 2013 19:50 pm

iainf72 wrote:Yes, a currently undetectable one that amongst other thing promotes significant weight loss.

When it first emerged a lot of riders looked very very lean



When was this? Need to fire up youtube and have a look.

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Re: AICAR / France 2

Postby Richmond Racer » Sun Jan 06, 2013 19:50 pm

TheBigBean wrote:
zammmmo wrote:Presumably the test could be used retrospectively?


It could be and should be, but they only take two samples:A and B, and A will already have been used.

Personally, I think they should take three samples, and re-test everyone a set number of years later, but that wouldn't be very popular with the pros - like the LA stuff.



I wonder how it worked with the re-testing of the 100 samples from the Athens Olympics that they did last year, with 5 coming up positive? I last heard that was being discussed by the IOC.

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Re: AICAR / France 2

Postby iainf72 » Sun Jan 06, 2013 19:53 pm

Rick Chasey wrote:
iainf72 wrote:Yes, a currently undetectable one that amongst other thing promotes significant weight loss.

When it first emerged a lot of riders looked very very lean



When was this? Need to fire up youtube and have a look.


09.

I remember at the time a couple of brothers were noted as looking exceptionally thin.
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Re: AICAR / France 2

Postby Rick Chasey » Sun Jan 06, 2013 19:58 pm

Hmm.

Can't say I noticed. They always look pretty damn thin. A totally-not-exact google image search puts them as thin as any other year prior....

I guess that year points mainly to one bloke right?

Corrolation, not necessarily causation obviously.

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Re: AICAR / France 2

Postby Richmond Racer » Sun Jan 06, 2013 20:05 pm

Whilst at Garmin...hardly credible, is it, never mind any other consideration

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Re: AICAR / France 2

Postby Rick Chasey » Sun Jan 06, 2013 20:09 pm

Richmond Racer wrote:Whilst at Garmin...hardly credible, is it, never mind any other consideration


It's an unfortunate corrolation you'll agree though.

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Re: AICAR / France 2

Postby Richmond Racer » Sun Jan 06, 2013 20:15 pm

Makes an unfortunate roundel target.

After consideration I've decided that I'm bloody glad that I would never have had even the smallest percentage of talent, mental strength, physiology, skillz - well, anything that's needed basically - to become a top pro and win the Tour. I couldnt cope with all the crap off the bike that goes along with being a Tour winner right now.

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Re: AICAR / France 2

Postby Rick Chasey » Sun Jan 06, 2013 20:21 pm

Richmond Racer wrote:Makes an unfortunate roundel target.

After consideration I've decided that I'm bloody glad that I would never have had even the smallest percentage of talent, mental strength, physiology, skillz - well, anything that's needed basically - to become a top pro and win the Tour. I couldnt cope with all the crap off the bike that goes along with being a Tour winner right now.


Professional sports eh?

You gets what you gets paid for.

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Re: AICAR / France 2

Postby Richmond Racer » Sun Jan 06, 2013 20:24 pm

Rick Chasey wrote:
Richmond Racer wrote:Makes an unfortunate roundel target.

After consideration I've decided that I'm bloody glad that I would never have had even the smallest percentage of talent, mental strength, physiology, skillz - well, anything that's needed basically - to become a top pro and win the Tour. I couldnt cope with all the crap off the bike that goes along with being a Tour winner right now.


Professional sports eh?

You gets what you gets paid for.



Show me another popular global sport where its like this


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