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pro lite bracciano?

Postby jacksun22 » Sat Jan 12, 2013 19:57 pm

Has anyone got any experience of riding these? I was thinking of getting a pair after hearing a few good things on the web, but after reading the poor review in this weeks cycling weekly, i have been put off.

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Re: pro lite bracciano?

Postby letap73 » Sat Jan 12, 2013 19:58 pm

Then what about cero wheels which did well in that test?

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Re: pro lite bracciano?

Postby jacksun22 » Sat Jan 12, 2013 20:00 pm

Was thinking of getting them, but they have now sold out due to the amazing review.

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Re: pro lite bracciano?

Postby mroli » Sat Jan 12, 2013 20:44 pm

I've never had any problems with my Pro-lite Bracs - I'm 11 stone and race on them (and due to slackness have ridden them through a couple of winters). I have heard that maybe they aren't at the same quality that they were a couple of years ago - but my experience of them have been great. I do take the cycling weekly reviews with a pinch of salt (and those in cycling plus too) - certain brands NEVER seem to do badly, others are never reviewed. If you search the road buying forum, you'll find lots of comments on wheel topics - a fav query for people - if you want people to comment on their suitability, give people your budget, your size, what you want to ride them for and any other relevant info.

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Re: pro lite bracciano?

Postby letap73 » Sat Jan 12, 2013 20:57 pm

PM UGO - for advice with regards to handbuilts - he builds wheels (http://paolocoppo.drupalgardens.com/)
If you want factory built wheels circa £300 - check out Merlins cycles

These look good for factory wheels:

http://www.pedalon.co.uk/acatalog/giant ... elset.html

http://www.pedalon.co.uk/acatalog/giant ... elset.html

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Re: pro lite bracciano?

Postby Bigpikle » Sat Jan 12, 2013 21:13 pm

were these the standard Bracc's or the new carbon aero version that did badly in the test? What did they say about them?
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Postby prawny » Sat Jan 12, 2013 22:40 pm

Ugos wheels are shoot hot. I was going to get a set of braccianos but my Rhigos came with comos and the rear was completely seized after 6 months
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Re: pro lite bracciano?

Postby jacksun22 » Sat Jan 12, 2013 23:28 pm

Thanks for the replies. Well im after the impossible i suppose, lightweight, stiff and fast. Clinchers, and not carbon. Something upto £450 i can use for sportives and the odd race in flat east anglia.
Cycling Weekly said the Prolites were basically too light, not enough stifness. I also looked at the Prolite Gavia, but was put off the fact some people have had to file their forks down to get the massive hub to fit. Im looking to upgrade, not degrade my frame!!

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Re: pro lite bracciano?

Postby mroli » Sun Jan 13, 2013 00:26 am

For that sort of money, I'd speak to Paolo/Ugo

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Postby Bigpikle » Sun Jan 13, 2013 09:52 am

or Derek at Wheelsmith, who builds some very nice wheels ;)
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Re: pro lite bracciano?

Postby GGBiker » Sun Jan 13, 2013 10:27 am

That's funny, cycling plus gave them 4 stars last year and they have had good reviews all over the place for a few years. Cycling mag reviews are clearly biased and advertising driven, once a product is a couple of years old it will only score a low to mid in a review, higher scores are reserved for the new shiny product which is obviously so much better.

I have a pair of braccianos and they are light and fast, saw a huge improvement in my overall speed and especially climbing speeds with these on my Wilier Izoard vs the fulcrum racing 7 that came stock.

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Postby dodgy » Sun Jan 13, 2013 10:30 am

I'm amazed that anyone allows a publication like CW to sway their views. At least Tour-QTR published repeatable metrics with their tests.

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Postby ugo.santalucia » Sun Jan 13, 2013 10:34 am

GGBiker wrote:That's funny, cycling plus gave them 4 stars last year and they have had good reviews all over the place for a few years. Cycling mag reviews are clearly biased and advertising driven, once a product is a couple of years old it will only score a low to mid in a review, higher scores are reserved for the new shiny product which is obviously so much better.

I have a pair of braccianos and they are light and fast, saw a huge improvement in my overall speed and especially climbing speeds with these on my Wilier Izoard vs the fulcrum racing 7 that came stock.


I think you have hit the nail on the head. Reviews are made by incompetent who are basically told what to say by a manufacturer or distributor. Typically these so called experts know three words: light, stiff and smooth and randomly apply them in their articles

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Postby ADIHEAD » Sun Jan 13, 2013 10:45 am

I bought a set from Ribble for £175 two years ago. Whilst I'm happy with the purchase I wouldn't pay any more than that for them. The flex and the bearings are of poor quality - 2 sets of fronts and rears vs none on a set of Mavic Ksyrium Elites that are 4 years old and have done twice the mileage. They have held true and with the latest aftermarket bearings they're now running fine. The freehub also gets damaged by the cassette splines and mine will need replacing the next time I take the cassette off as only just managed to get it back on last time! So if you were thinking of paying full retail then I wouldn't bother and perhaps get some handbuilts instead. If you can get a severely discounted pair as I did then that's a different matter.

I'd agree they will be better than Fulcrum 7's and probably 5's also for speed. They climb and ride ok whilst seated, just flex when you stand. Indeed I get on ok with them but they haven't been fit and forget like my Mavic and Dura ace wheels!

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Postby ADIHEAD » Sun Jan 13, 2013 11:04 am

I don't think calling reviewers 'incompetents' is very constructive. I think they write about what they have at the time but often don't get to use products for long enough to discover certain weaknesses. I'm sure there's also an element of certain 'flaws' becoming flavour of the month etc. For example, in last month's cycling plus there seemed to be a new emphasis on freehubs reacting slowly, in both wheel reviews and on a complete bike review. This is a newly mentioned complaint, which then seems to get overused thoughout the issue. Cycling plus always used to rave about Michelin pro3race's, even saying they were tough when users were getting a lot of punctures. Now the pro4race is out they admit the pro3races weren't tough enough! So there's lots of inconsistencies, not sure it's just a case of doing as they're told though, just think they wrote pieces without testing them for long enough to get the full picture.

When I bought my Bracciano's they had just won a group test and received 5 stars. Now, quite correctly I believe they're getting rated as a 3 star product. Why did they get 5 stars originally? Had Hotlines/Prolite just placed a lucrative advertising run? Well Prolite are still advertising in issues when the products are getting average reviews? The Prolite chainset and I seem to remember their carbon aero wheels got very average reviews last year and the adverts are still there. I think there was just something about the product that initially impressed and now they've used them a bit more, we're getting more balanced opinions.

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Re: pro lite bracciano?

Postby dodgy » Sun Jan 13, 2013 11:04 am

ADIHEAD wrote: The flex and the bearings are of poor quality - 2 sets of fronts and rears vs none on a set of Mavic Ksyrium Elites that are 4 years old and have done twice the mileage.


I'd agree with your points, I bought them same time and price from Ribble, too. By the way, did you change the bearings yourself? I tried hammering mine out but they were going nowhere! Besides, the rim is pretty worn now (winter bike use) and I reckon there's not much point spending money on them.

For my next winter wheels (yes, I know Braccianos are an unconventional winter bike choice - but I got them cheap at the time) I'm going cup and cone bearings.

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Postby ADIHEAD » Sun Jan 13, 2013 11:16 am

No I didn't try myself and my LBS only charge £8 to fit so not worth messing with when you lead a busy life! I think a lot of cartridge bearings are fine to be honest. As I say, my Mavics have lasted 4 years on the original set. Cup and cone are fine if you don't mind servicing yourself though and are prepared to check them over regularly. Personally I prefer fit and forget for the winter but each to their own:-)

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Postby ugo.santalucia » Sun Jan 13, 2013 11:34 am

ADIHEAD wrote:I don't think calling reviewers 'incompetents' is very constructive. I think they write about what they have at the time but often don't get to use products for long enough to discover certain weaknesses. I'm sure there's also an element of certain 'flaws' becoming flavour of the month etc. For example, in last month's cycling plus there seemed to be a new emphasis on freehubs reacting slowly, in both wheel reviews and on a complete bike review. This is a newly mentioned complaint, which then seems to get overused thoughout the issue. Cycling plus always used to rave about Michelin pro3race's, even saying they were tough when users were getting a lot of punctures. Now the pro4race is out they admit the pro3races weren't tough enough! So there's lots of inconsistencies, not sure it's just a case of doing as they're told though, just think they wrote pieces without testing them for long enough to get the full picture.

When I bought my Bracciano's they had just won a group test and received 5 stars. Now, quite correctly I believe they're getting rated as a 3 star product. Why did they get 5 stars originally? Had Hotlines/Prolite just placed a lucrative advertising run? Well Prolite are still advertising in issues when the products are getting average reviews? The Prolite chainset and I seem to remember their carbon aero wheels got very average reviews last year and the adverts are still there. I think there was just something about the product that initially impressed and now they've used them a bit more, we're getting more balanced opinions.


We are saying the same thing. They are incompetent because anyone competent would know that the slow engagement issue is a NON issue. Have you honestly ever felt your freehub did not engage fast enough?
How fast does it need to be?
Reviews are ludicrous and never point out the real weaknesses, never a mention to rebadged components... Never a mention that the actual cost of the parts is less than 50 dollars.
They actually know four words: forgot they know aero too... Not sure they can spell the entire aerodynamic word though... Luckily they have spell check... :wink:

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Re: pro lite bracciano?

Postby ADIHEAD » Sun Jan 13, 2013 12:46 pm

Point taken. Just I'd use the term 'sensationalist journalism'!

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Postby unixnerd » Sun Jan 13, 2013 16:48 pm

I've had a set for about two years and can't say enough good things about them. Done a lot of miles including the dreaded Drumochter A9 cycle path with zero issues. Never had to retrue them. Never seen any flex issues either but I'm 10 stone and not the most powerful rider in the world. Pro-Lite UK are friendly and quick to reply too.

I paid 180 for mine, they've gone up a good bit since then.
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