Who is the most successful doper of all time now?

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Who is the most successful doper of all time now?

Postby Outsider art by Loan » Sat Jan 19, 2013 07:34 am

With Lance dethroned, who is the new GOAT? WHO?
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Postby wreckedmyklein » Sat Jan 19, 2013 08:38 am

I guess it must be Eddie Merkx. I think it's generally recognised that he used various drugs and as the most successful cyclist of all time it seems a slam dunk.
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Postby BigMat » Sat Jan 19, 2013 08:40 am

Merckx, clearly. I wouldn't equate "successful" with "worst" though, I think Lance will always retain that title.

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Postby Blazing Saddles » Sat Jan 19, 2013 08:49 am

Merckx, Coppi, both well ahead in the doping game.
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Postby tommasi » Sat Jan 19, 2013 09:08 am

Messi or Maradona

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Postby Yellow Peril » Sat Jan 19, 2013 09:27 am

Merckx, but there is a big difference between amphets and blood doping or EPO. If both were totally drugless Armstrong would have been obliterated by Merckx.

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Re: Who is the most successful doper of all time now?

Postby FJS » Sat Jan 19, 2013 09:44 am

Blazing Saddles wrote:Merckx, Coppi, both well ahead in the doping game.

That was all stimulants though, hardly career changing stuff. Nothing like the steroids of the 80s an blood doping since.

Besides, in Coppi's days there werent any banned substances, so no doping. He didnt do anything illegal.

It depends how the question is intended. Most successful rider to have doped, clearly Merckx. Rider to have most successfully built his career through doping and maintained his status as a successful rider, perhaps Indurain is not a bad choice. He's still not really recognised by the general public as a doper/cheat/liar etc.

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Postby nweststeyn » Sat Jan 19, 2013 13:01 pm

Outsider art by Loan wrote:With Lance dethroned, who is the new GOAT? WHO?


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Postby mike6 » Sat Jan 19, 2013 13:28 pm

FJS wrote:
Blazing Saddles wrote:Merckx, Coppi, both well ahead in the doping game.

That was all stimulants though, hardly career changing stuff. Nothing like the steroids of the 80s an blood doping since.

Besides, in Coppi's days there werent any banned substances, so no doping. He didnt do anything illegal.

It depends how the question is intended. Most successful rider to have doped, clearly Merckx. Rider to have most successfully built his career through doping and maintained his status as a successful rider, perhaps Indurain is not a bad choice. He's still not really recognised by the general public as a doper/cheat/liar etc.


You also have to consider that stimulants were available over the counter, in France at least, until the 60s or 70s, so were not considered doping.

I would have to say Contador. He has been in so many dodgy teams and involved with so many dodgy individuals, had so many doubts and so much flack thrown at him, yet he has managed to come through "almost" unscathed. He seems to be made of teflon. (Other none stick products are also available).

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Postby deejay » Sat Jan 19, 2013 17:25 pm

Lance Armstrong is the most successful doper of all time.
He changed the face of cycle racing for all of us. (how many on this forum came because of him)
2nd most successful is Bjarne Riis who even Indurain couldn't keep up with. :roll:
Then pick anyone you like from that Telekom (T Mobile) team. The most successful company made out of Cycling Doping.
mike6 wrote:You also have to consider that stimulants were available over the counter, in France at least, until the 60s or 70s, so were not considered doping.
FJS wrote:That was all stimulants though, hardly career changing stuff. Nothing like the steroids of the 80s an blood doping since.

Many years ago I heard it said after the Simpson death "that when you joined the Pro Race Peloton you quickly learned to buy amphetamines so you could last the day.)
More or less a level playing field then. :!:

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Postby RichN95 » Sat Jan 19, 2013 17:30 pm

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Postby deejay » Sat Jan 19, 2013 17:53 pm

RichN95 wrote:Arnold Schwarzenegger
I don't think armstrong will be that successful to be a Governor though. :!:

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Postby Gazzaputt » Sat Jan 19, 2013 18:17 pm

Whoever the OP is he's a fcuking idiot.

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Postby Richmond Racer » Sat Jan 19, 2013 18:19 pm

Gazzaputt wrote:Whoever the OP is he's a fcuking idiot.



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Postby Outsider art by Loan » Sat Jan 19, 2013 19:37 pm

Gazzaputt wrote:Whoever the OP is he's a fcuking idiot.

Before I kill myself, can you tell me why?
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Re: Who is the most successful doper of all time now?

Postby Flexisurfer » Sat Jan 19, 2013 22:56 pm

Linford Christie?

Banned for 2 years after failing drugs test then goes on to coach other athletes.

Armstrong is banned for life so can't compete and I doubt if he has the mettle for coaching, so therefore not as successful as as Christie, if of course you are talking about LA????

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Postby dougzz » Sat Jan 19, 2013 23:42 pm

Outsider art by Loan wrote:
Gazzaputt wrote:Whoever the OP is he's a fcuking idiot.

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Postby tonyf34 » Sun Jan 20, 2013 09:26 am

Flexisurfer wrote:Linford Christie?

Banned for 2 years after failing drugs test then goes on to coach other athletes.

Armstrong is banned for life so can't compete and I doubt if he has the mettle for coaching, so therefore not as successful as as Christie, if of course you are talking about LA????

You mean getting banned after he had already effectively retired and was arsing about in a non competition invite event, the comparisons aren't even remotely close. :roll:

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Re: Who is the most successful doper of all time now?

Postby k-dog » Sun Jan 20, 2013 09:35 am

Carl Lewis for doing it over multiple Olympics.
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Re: Who is the most successful doper of all time now?

Postby Monty Dog » Sun Jan 20, 2013 21:43 pm

OT but its got to be Rapha Nadal, in fact most of ProTour tennis
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