Avid Elixir - Explanation please?

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Avid Elixir - Explanation please?

Postby beardwithabike » Sun Jan 20, 2013 20:12 pm

So I have an Elixir R brake... and I was trying to benchmark it in the series of Elixir brakes. But Im getting confused. I went on the SRAM website and it seems that the order from worst to best is:

1,3,5,7,9 ... so where does the R fit in?? Am I being daft?

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Re: Avid Elixir - Explanation please?

Postby ilovedirt » Sun Jan 20, 2013 20:42 pm

They don't make the Elixir R any more, it was somewhere around the Elixir 5, not that it really matters...
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Re: Avid Elixir - Explanation please?

Postby nicklouse » Sun Jan 20, 2013 20:48 pm

what was the brake on?
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Re: Avid Elixir - Explanation please?

Postby beardwithabike » Sun Jan 20, 2013 20:57 pm

Bought it from a guy online so not sure.

Looking at getting something else so this is likely for sale.

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Re: Avid Elixir - Explanation please?

Postby Briggo » Sun Jan 20, 2013 21:20 pm

beardwithabike wrote:Bought it from a guy online so not sure.

Looking at getting something else so this is likely for sale.


Why, what's wrong with the elixir R

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Re: Avid Elixir - Explanation please?

Postby gingerrob25 » Sun Jan 20, 2013 21:30 pm

I've got a set and there great, they have carbon levers as well. The pads are expensive though...
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Re: Avid Elixir - Explanation please?

Postby lawman » Sun Jan 20, 2013 22:29 pm

The r's aren't made anymore, but the 7 is an updated model I think.

Briggo wrote:
beardwithabike wrote:Bought it from a guy online so not sure.

Looking at getting something else so this is likely for sale.


Why, what's wrong with the elixir R


Because Avid brakes are for the most part absolute sh!t and Shimano walk over them...

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Re: Avid Elixir - Explanation please?

Postby Northwind » Sun Jan 20, 2013 23:30 pm

Elixir R was effectively replaced by the 7.
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Re: Avid Elixir - Explanation please?

Postby dmorton » Mon Jan 21, 2013 10:06 am

gingerrob25, Get pads from Superstar - http://superstar.tibolts.co.uk/index.php?cPath=21

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Re: Avid Elixir - Explanation please?

Postby Briggo » Mon Jan 21, 2013 12:25 pm

lawman wrote:The r's aren't made anymore, but the 7 is an updated model I think.

Briggo wrote:
beardwithabike wrote:Bought it from a guy online so not sure.

Looking at getting something else so this is likely for sale.


Why, what's wrong with the elixir R


Because Avid brakes are for the most part absolute sh!t and Shimano walk over them...


They stop me perfectly well.

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Re: Avid Elixir - Explanation please?

Postby RockmonkeySC » Mon Jan 21, 2013 12:39 pm

I have Elixir X0's. They work well when properly bled but are a ***** to get set up right. They are going on ebay soon to be replaced with Shimano Zee. I'm also replacing my Juicy 7's with Deore.
Avids generally are ok but not worth the effort of keeping them working well.

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Re: Avid Elixir - Explanation please?

Postby njee20 » Mon Jan 21, 2013 12:51 pm

I've got a set and there great, they have carbon levers as well. The pads are expensive though...


R's generally didn't have carbon levers - that's the CR, the C being for carbon...

I had some Elixir XXs which were utterly horrendous, just didn't work satisfactorily for a product costing 1/3 as much! XTRs are better in every way!

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Re: Avid Elixir - Explanation please?

Postby richardjiles » Mon Jan 21, 2013 19:31 pm

I agree with Avid being absolute shoot, I had a pair of elixir Rs and they gave me nothing but ******* problems
now I have one of the cheapest models of shimanos 2011 brakes, they are so much better than those expensive elixirs

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Re: Avid Elixir - Explanation please?

Postby richardjiles » Mon Jan 21, 2013 20:59 pm

Briggo wrote:
lawman wrote:The r's aren't made anymore, but the 7 is an updated model I think.

Briggo wrote:
beardwithabike wrote:Bought it from a guy online so not sure.

Looking at getting something else so this is likely for sale.


Why, what's wrong with the elixir R


Because Avid brakes are for the most part absolute sh!t and Shimano walk over them...


They stop me perfectly well.


So does the brake on my childhood bike, classic back pedal brake.
Point is most brakes will stop you, doesnt mean they are any good when comparing

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Re: Avid Elixir - Explanation please?

Postby Briggo » Mon Jan 21, 2013 22:38 pm

richardjiles wrote:
Briggo wrote:
lawman wrote:The r's aren't made anymore, but the 7 is an updated model I think.

Briggo wrote:
beardwithabike wrote:Bought it from a guy online so not sure.

Looking at getting something else so this is likely for sale.


Why, what's wrong with the elixir R


Because Avid brakes are for the most part absolute sh!t and Shimano walk over them...


They stop me perfectly well.


So does the brake on my childhood bike, classic back pedal brake.
Point is most brakes will stop you, doesnt mean they are any good when comparing


Dont be stupid. If the brake is able to stop/slow me going down Jacobs Ladder for example at speed, not overheat and does the job well with plenty of feel and doesn't just slam on and you can feather the brake then that's what it needs to do, why spend more money to replace it if it isn't broken just because the Shimano unit can do the same job but somehow better, even though the Elixir R did what I needed to do well...

However if they break or fail and a big if as the Elixirs have been bombproof for 2 years running now with no maintenance done on them then I might look at the newer units like Shimano Deores/SLXs etc.

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Re: Avid Elixir - Explanation please?

Postby richardjiles » Mon Jan 21, 2013 23:20 pm

Briggo wrote:
richardjiles wrote:
Briggo wrote:
lawman wrote:The r's aren't made anymore, but the 7 is an updated model I think.

Briggo wrote:
beardwithabike wrote:Bought it from a guy online so not sure.

Looking at getting something else so this is likely for sale.


Why, what's wrong with the elixir R


Because Avid brakes are for the most part absolute sh!t and Shimano walk over them...


They stop me perfectly well.


So does the brake on my childhood bike, classic back pedal brake.
Point is most brakes will stop you, doesnt mean they are any good when comparing


Dont be stupid. If the brake is able to stop/slow me going down Jacobs Ladder for example at speed, not overheat and does the job well with plenty of feel and doesn't just slam on and you can feather the brake then that's what it needs to do, why spend more money to replace it if it isn't broken just because the Shimano unit can do the same job but somehow better, even though the Elixir R did what I needed to do well...

However if they break or fail and a big if as the Elixirs have been bombproof for 2 years running now with no maintenance done on them then I might look at the newer units like Shimano Deores/SLXs etc.


Mine always squealed, everyone on the mountain could hear it. Cleaning wouldn't help it.
And as it aged it would leak oil onto the pads, I gave up about then. I still have them they are on my Kona.

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Re: Avid Elixir - Explanation please?

Postby 97th choice » Tue Jan 22, 2013 12:00 pm

I 'had' elixr r's on a boardman, they were a pig to bleed as testified by myself and two LBS'. The rear piston ended up siezing as well, and they squeaked.

I thought the CR had some sort of bite point adjust over the r which was reach adjust only?

New bike has avid 1's. They work ok for now but still squeak.
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Re: Avid Elixir - Explanation please?

Postby bazza333 » Tue Jan 22, 2013 14:57 pm

I've never had any compliants with Elixir R's and they are no better or worse than the M596's that I also run. However I would say that the old Juicy's are total rubbish. Not only is their performance poor but you have to remove the caliper to change the pads.
My 2010 Boardman came with R's and they had carbon levers as standard but R's on other bikes usually have plain levers. I also thought CR's had the bite point adjustment.

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Re: Avid Elixir - Explanation please?

Postby mrmonkfinger » Wed Jan 23, 2013 12:02 pm

bazza333 wrote:My 2010 Boardman came with R's and they had carbon levers as standard but R's on other bikes usually have plain levers. I also thought CR's had the bite point adjustment.


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Re: Avid Elixir - Explanation please?

Postby The Rookie » Thu Jan 24, 2013 11:06 am

All Avid's feel like they should be Juicy 3's, all Shimano feel like they must be XTR.

Sure Avids stop you, but the feel and progression and lever affort are all inferior.

Avids seem to squeal more, my theory on that is that it's the CPS washers making the mounting too flexible (certainly not as stiff as direct bolted like Shimano).

Why am I saying this before I sell those Juicy 3's on ebay......


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