More comfort with a carbon fork ?

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More comfort with a carbon fork ?

Postby JamesB » Tue Feb 19, 2013 21:24 pm

I`m thinking of changing existing steel, disc front fork for a carbon disc mount fork; existing fork does feel a bit harsh (Cotic)---just wonder if anyone has made similar upgrade to carbon and found a more comfortable front end to bike ? And if yes, what is recommended (not that`s there a great choice @ £150 market point :(

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Re: More comfort with a carbon fork ?

Postby jordan_217 » Tue Feb 19, 2013 21:44 pm

JamesB wrote:I`m thinking of changing existing steel, disc front fork for a carbon disc mount fork; existing fork does feel a bit harsh (Cotic)---just wonder if anyone has made similar upgrade to carbon and found a more comfortable front end to bike ? And if yes, what is recommended (not that`s there a great choice @ £150 market point :(



I swapped the alloy Kona P2 forks on my Kona CX bike with some Kinesis Pure CX forks. I use the bike mainly for commuting. Its made a significant difference, the front end feels much smoother and more nimble. The bike feels much nicer now, especially at soaking up the lumps and bumps during off-road rides. Fat Birds in Norfolk are worth checking:

http://www.fatbirds.co.uk/601/forks---c ... -700c.aspx
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Re: More comfort with a carbon fork ?

Postby JamesB » Wed Feb 20, 2013 06:42 am

Good to hear that made noticeable difference !; however teh pure CX fork doesn`t take discs and as with all other stockists the other Kinesis fork, with mudguard eyes is out of stock :(

Anyone tried Nashbar stuff from USA ? as their fork seems to fit my needs too (if I can convince myself that there will be improved comfort)

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Re: More comfort with a carbon fork ?

Postby sungod » Wed Feb 20, 2013 09:52 am

in case you hadn't checked, make sure the new fork has the same geometry as the old one - assuming you want the handling to stay the same
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Re: More comfort with a carbon fork ?

Postby elderone » Wed Feb 20, 2013 12:58 pm

I changed to a carbon fork on my carrera winter bike and the difference was amazing tbh.well worth the upgrade.
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Re: More comfort with a carbon fork ?

Postby JamesB » Wed Feb 20, 2013 17:46 pm

in case you hadn't checked, make sure the new fork has the same geometry as the old one - assuming you want the handling to stay the same


Yes, I`d been keeping an eye on this but alternatives are 5 - 10mm longer and with up to 3 mm less rake so not sure how eg a 10 mm longer form with 3 mm less rake would compare !

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Re: More comfort with a carbon fork ?

Postby Monty Dog » Wed Feb 20, 2013 18:35 pm

The increased fork length will increase the headtube angle by half-a-degree, slowing the steering down a little as well as raising the bars. The reduced rake will increase trail and make the steering more stable too - whilst it may be noticeable to start with it's unlikely to make a huge difference to how the bike feels.
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Re: More comfort with a carbon fork ?

Postby Sprool » Wed Feb 20, 2013 19:17 pm

I can't get my head round the comments that carbon forks soak up the bumps better - isn't carbon fibre supposed to be much stiffer? How does that work?

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Re: More comfort with a carbon fork ?

Postby Daz555 » Fri Feb 22, 2013 09:09 am

Sprool wrote:I can't get my head round the comments that carbon forks soak up the bumps better - isn't carbon fibre supposed to be much stiffer? How does that work?

Carbon can be moulded into forms which are stiff in some places/directions but compliant in others
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Re: More comfort with a carbon fork ?

Postby JamesB » Sun Mar 10, 2013 18:07 pm

Went for Carbon Cycle Exotic disc fork, not the lightest but has really smoothed out front end and cut down teh road rattle with previous straight bladed steel fork.

I can't get my head round the comments that carbon forks soak up the bumps better - isn't carbon fibre supposed to be much stiffer? How does that work?


So carbon, despite its potential stiffness can be worked to be compliant where required as I have now found in a head to head comparison :)

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Re: More comfort with a carbon fork ?

Postby Bar Shaker » Mon Mar 11, 2013 11:15 am

A bent or swept carbon fork will be bendy, just like a bent ali or steel fork, just a bit less so for the same weight. Any flex (and compliance) will be down to the shape, not the material.

A good property of carbon is the lack transfer of high frequency road buzz (think of riding a Power Plate for 5 hours) but this occurs over the entire fame and just changing the fork will have limited effect. On a crosser, road buzz would be less of an issue anyway, due to the bigger tyres.

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Re: More comfort with a carbon fork ?

Postby t4tomo » Mon Mar 11, 2013 11:32 am

Bar Shaker wrote:A bent or swept carbon fork will be bendy, just like a bent ali or steel fork, just a bit less so for the same weight. Any flex (and compliance) will be down to the shape, not the material.

A good property of carbon is the lack transfer of high frequency road buzz (think of riding a Power Plate for 5 hours) but this occurs over the entire fame and just changing the fork will have limited effect. On a crosser, road buzz would be less of an issue anyway, due to the bigger tyres.

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Pollocks.

Contact points makes biggest difference, front forks, seat post, rear stays. Carbon forks and a carbon seat post will give you almost as much benefit in terms of road buz reduction as a full carbon frame/forks. The full carbon will gove you more stiffness and a bit less weight and more bling factor on top.

That said steel, particulalry good quality, does a similar job but flexex more, although OP may have had Alu rather than steel forks, or they maky have been low grade steel.
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Re: More comfort with a carbon fork ?

Postby JamesB » Mon Mar 11, 2013 13:55 pm

Steel forks but straight with no curve built into them apart from an offset at fork crown.

Unlike olden days where steel forks were built with a pronounced taper and curve on lower quarter of fork, which if you watched them was where majority flex and compliance occurred, teh steel forks I replaced had very little visible flex, hence quite jarring. Carbon forks now in place have lower section swept and tapered which I believe mirrors better teh action of olden days steel forks.

And yes I agree material quality has a great deal to add too. Seeing set Gios steel forks last year in action on a really good steel framed bike just showed how compliant they could be, tips of forks moving up and down like a tuning fork :)

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On a crosser, road buzz would be less of an issue anyway, due to the bigger tyres.


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Re: More comfort with a carbon fork ?

Postby cougie » Mon Mar 11, 2013 14:37 pm

t4tomo wrote:
Bar Shaker wrote:A bent or swept carbon fork will be bendy, just like a bent ali or steel fork, just a bit less so for the same weight. Any flex (and compliance) will be down to the shape, not the material.

A good property of carbon is the lack transfer of high frequency road buzz (think of riding a Power Plate for 5 hours) but this occurs over the entire fame and just changing the fork will have limited effect. On a crosser, road buzz would be less of an issue anyway, due to the bigger tyres.

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Pollocks.

Contact points makes biggest difference, front forks, seat post, rear stays. Carbon forks and a carbon seat post will give you almost as much benefit in terms of road buz reduction as a full carbon frame/forks. The full carbon will gove you more stiffness and a bit less weight and more bling factor on top.

That said steel, particulalry good quality, does a similar job but flexex more, although OP may have had Alu rather than steel forks, or they maky have been low grade steel.


I swapped my groupset and wheels from a 653 frame with carbon forks to a full carbon TCR - the difference was light and day. Whether this was to the design or the material - I'd not know but I was staggered by how much it smoothed out the bumps and grids.


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