Tour of Britain up for sale -who should get it?

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Who should get the rights to run the ToB?

Poll ended at Fri Mar 29, 2013 23:03 pm

ASO - Sensible cycling
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30%
RCS - Italian Insanity
14
30%
SweetSpot - A certain Britishness
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40%
 
Total votes: 47

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Tour of Britain up for sale -who should get it?

Postby No tA Doctor » Fri Mar 22, 2013 23:03 pm

So who should get to run the ToB in the future?
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Postby No tA Doctor » Sat Mar 23, 2013 10:32 am

ASO running away with this one.

I voted for the Italians. Here's why:

SweetSpot probably don't have the wherewithall to push the ToB further than it's gone already. They've done a good job of it, but I don't think they can bring the race any further.

ASO would certainly offer sound competent management of the race, but they have a huge race list already. Would they promote the race at the expense of one of their other races? If the future goal of the ToB is an upgrade in status, then it's likely that one of ASO's races would have to make way.

RCS have far fewer races. They promote them aggressively, finding ways to make each of them competitive against ASO races. They really work to find something unique for each race. Sometimes they go over the top (see this year's Tirreno-Adriatico) but they make memorable races. I think they'd try every trick in the book to get an upgrade.
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Postby mfin » Sat Mar 23, 2013 10:38 am

How much do they want for it? Ive been looking for a stage race and can't afford a grand tour
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Postby RichN95 » Sat Mar 23, 2013 10:39 am

^^I like your thinking, but I'd point out one thing - part of the reason RCS make exciting races is because they are in Italy. They have geography on their side. Italy is essentially a volcanic ridge and you're never more than an hour's ride from an interesting climb or five. Compare it to France which has great expanses of flat lands.
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Postby No tA Doctor » Sat Mar 23, 2013 11:03 am

Well yes, RCS have the natural resources available for flamboyance, it's true. But they also have the drive to maximise them, whereas ASO are essentially far more conservative. I think that's more to do with market position than geography.

Besides, there are plenty of nasty short sharp climbs in Britain. We may be lacking in Alpine passes and summit finishes, but the horrible little bastards that make e.g. the Belgian classics so memorable, we've got some.

To put it this way - this year's route is pretty much the first that's made decent use of The Lakes, yet there's plenty more there that's not been exploited. SweetSpot have pushed the boat out a little further this time - which is what RCS would continue to do, but with more muscle behind them. Or is this years route as good as it could possibly get?
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Postby iainf72 » Sat Mar 23, 2013 11:17 am

Wouldn't ASO having it leave them with 2 races on at the same time?
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Postby Cleat Eastwood » Sat Mar 23, 2013 11:25 am

Wiggle :lol:
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Postby Pross » Sat Mar 23, 2013 13:42 pm

Difficult one. I really like what Sweetspot have done in improving the race during a time when getting sponsorship and financial support has been extremely tough. No doubt the upsurge in interest in British cycling has helped but they've done a great job. However, having one of the big two involved could push the race to the next level. I think it's a credit to what Sweetspot have done that the race is now at a stage where ASO and RCS are even interested in it, the huge crowds on last year's race will have helped too.

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Postby johnboy183 » Sat Mar 23, 2013 14:41 pm

Would a combined Sweetspot/ASO or Sweetspot/RCS run event be good the future. Love the idea of it staying as it is but if we want more races that attract top class riders then perhaps we have to look overseas. Would they be able to hold "classic" one day races as partbof the contract? So much terrain to choose from and the probability of large crowds wherever they go.

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Postby Menchov'sStabilisers » Sat Mar 23, 2013 17:27 pm

With all three throwing their hats into the ring it's time to play them off against each other.

The UK now has one of the big teams, it has the reigning TdF champion in Wiggins, it has the favourite (or at least second favourite) for this year's tour in Froome, it has the leading sprinter in Cavendish and several classic contenders (at least for a podium) in Stanndard and Thomas.

That doesn't mean much in isolation but the UK is now arguably the major sports market - look at how the NFL, NBA from the States are trying to cash in on the appetite for sport in the UK. The IOC did the same for Olympics last year. Athletics' World Championships is heading here as well, the Champions League Final is being hosted at Wembley etc.

The UK is where the money is. Nowhere else can get away with the ticket prices we charge yet our grounds are filled at those prices where everywhere else has empty grounds at cheaper prices. Now cycling has a slightly different remuneration structure as it's not about ticket sales but the crowds for the Olympic road-race/TT and ToB give it a relevance for sponsors which is what drives the sport. Add in the strength of British cycling and it's a no-brainer - it's no coincidence that both the Giro and the Tour will be visiting.

It's not going to replace the Tour, the Giro or Vuelta but there's no reason why it can't be in that second tier of stage races. It's a far more attractive proposition (financially) than a tour of say Poland and it has the scenery and courses to produce a highly marketable product. Play the ASO off against the RCS and make the ASO commit to back it properly at the expense of one of their second tier events. Make the contract conditional on reaching certain achievements.

Then maybe offer Sweetspot an one-day race as a consolation prize for their work in resurrecting the ToB?

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Postby mike6 » Sat Mar 23, 2013 20:53 pm

Sweet Spot have built the race from nothing to where it is now, then the powers decide "ok, nobody wanted it before, and it is now worth having,so lets screw SP and make some more money from someone else" Great, nothing like a little loyalty.

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Postby deejay » Sat Mar 23, 2013 21:44 pm

Menchov'sStabilisers wrote:With all three throwing their hats into the ring it's time to play them off against each other. The UK now has one of the big teams, it has the reigning TdF champion in Wiggins, it has the favourite (or at least second favourite) for this year's tour in Froome, it has the leading sprinter in Cavendish and several classic contenders (at least for a podium) in Stanndard and Thomas.

The UK is where the money is. Nowhere else can get away with the ticket prices we charge yet our grounds are filled at those prices where everywhere else has empty grounds at cheaper prices. Now cycling has a slightly different remuneration structure as it's not about ticket sales but the crowds for the Olympic road-race/TT and ToB give it a relevance for sponsors which is what drives the sport. Add in the strength of British cycling and it's a no-brainer - it's no coincidence that both the Giro and the Tour will be visiting.
This is more about Continental Sponsors who use cycle racing as a marketing tool.
The present TOB organisers have some sponsors lined up but I doubt if the Budget required would interest the ASO as a profit machine. They need a bigger return for their time and a lot more low cost control of the safety aspect.
I don't know where this thread originated but those are my thoughts. FWIW.

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Postby gsk82 » Sat Mar 23, 2013 22:22 pm

mike6 wrote:Sweet Spot have built the race from nothing to where it is now, then the powers decide "ok, nobody wanted it before, and it is now worth having,so lets screw SP and make some more money from someone else" Great, nothing like a little loyalty.


Sweetspot haven't been running it out of the kindness of their hearts or for the love of the sport you know? Of course you know don't you... Mike Bennett?!!
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Postby ManOfKent » Sat Mar 23, 2013 22:36 pm

I'm biased because I know a couple of the guys who work for SweetSpot and are heavily involved in both the ToB and the Tour Series, which they've also built from nothing.

There may be commercial opportunities out there that ASO or RCS could exploit better through their contacts and experience - and if it's all about money they may be the right choice. But there are many other factors which make the ToB difficult to organise, in contrast to races in some other countries, and SweetSpot's experience in overcoming those challenges shouldn't be undervalued if British Cycling want the race to prosper.

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Postby Dave_1 » Sun Mar 24, 2013 05:46 am

Nissan, Kellogs, Pru Tour, Milk Race all died...sure ASO is best guarantee ToB
does't go the way of those great former events

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Postby Rodrego Hernandez » Sun Mar 24, 2013 10:42 am

Sweetspot have done the hard work and worked through the lean years and also bring us the Tour series so naturally the ToB should now be given to someone else now that cycling is becoming popular.

The fact that they are putting it out to tender is a disgrace. Sweetspot have been involved in UK cycling for years and long may they remain.

This smacks of someone in power with a grudge.

It can't stop me thnking that this might have be related to Sky / ASO / UCI

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Postby mike6 » Sun Mar 24, 2013 17:37 pm

gsk82 wrote:
mike6 wrote:Sweet Spot have built the race from nothing to where it is now, then the powers decide "ok, nobody wanted it before, and it is now worth having,so lets screw SP and make some more money from someone else" Great, nothing like a little loyalty.


Sweetspot haven't been running it out of the kindness of their hearts or for the love of the sport you know? Of course you know don't you... Mike Bennett?!!


Who said anything about SW doing it for nowt? I said they took it on when no one wanted it and made it into a good marketable proposition. So now its a prized event, it gets flogged off to someone else. I just think its a cheap shot.

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Postby Pross » Sun Mar 24, 2013 19:39 pm

Rodrego Hernandez wrote:Sweetspot have done the hard work and worked through the lean years and also bring us the Tour series so naturally the ToB should now be given to someone else now that cycling is becoming popular.

The fact that they are putting it out to tender is a disgrace. Sweetspot have been involved in UK cycling for years and long may they remain.

This smacks of someone in power with a grudge.

It can't stop me thnking that this might have be related to Sky / ASO / UCI


Yeah, it will be the devil's spawn at Sky behind it obviously :roll:

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Postby inkyfingers » Sun Mar 24, 2013 19:54 pm

Rodrego Hernandez wrote:Sweetspot have done the hard work and worked through the lean years and also bring us the Tour series so naturally the ToB should now be given to someone else now that cycling is becoming popular.

The fact that they are putting it out to tender is a disgrace. Sweetspot have been involved in UK cycling for years and long may they remain.

This smacks of someone in power with a grudge.

It can't stop me thnking that this might have be related to Sky / ASO / UCI


Putting things like this out to tender every so often is simply good practice.
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Postby thegibdog » Sun Mar 24, 2013 20:22 pm

mike6 wrote:
gsk82 wrote:
mike6 wrote:Sweet Spot have built the race from nothing to where it is now, then the powers decide "ok, nobody wanted it before, and it is now worth having,so lets screw SP and make some more money from someone else" Great, nothing like a little loyalty.

Sweetspot haven't been running it out of the kindness of their hearts or for the love of the sport you know? Of course you know don't you... Mike Bennett?!!

Who said anything about SW doing it for nowt? I said they took it on when no one wanted it and made it into a good marketable proposition. So now its a prized event, it gets flogged off to someone else. I just think its a cheap shot.

Isn't how marketable the ToB is more down to the success that British Cycling has had recently, rather than anything SweetSpot have done? I'm not saying that SweetSpot haven't done a good job, but I think it makes sense for British Cycling to look at their options for maximizing the potential the the ToB has.


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