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Well i,m no scientist BUT

Postby ademort » Sun Mar 31, 2013 01:37 am

Today at work it snowed again, i can,t believe it. Is it really Global warming.????
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Re: Well i,m no scientist BUT

Postby verylonglegs » Sun Mar 31, 2013 06:03 am

It's no longer called global warming, they now say 'climate change' after realising they were actually wrong. However it will never be called 'Unpredictable events we like to guess at' otherwise researchers may lose their grants. Damn this weather has got to me and made me cynical...I need a bike ride!

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Re: Well i,m no scientist BUT

Postby MattyDeez » Sun Mar 31, 2013 07:53 am

Global Warming and Climate Change are two different things but they are linked.

We are in a "global warming" effect, temperatures are increasing around the globe, but it's over years and loads of variables come into effect.

Climate change is what we're seeing now, its what the planet goes through every now and again but somehow the scientists and media are saying we're speeding it up because of this "global warming" caused by the amount of co2, methane etc.

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Re: Well i,m no scientist BUT

Postby Animal72 » Sun Mar 31, 2013 08:01 am

Sorry about the snow yesterday, that was my fault.

I decided to go for a ride, so clearly 15 minutes out its going to start snowing.




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Re: Well i,m no scientist BUT

Postby Philly8mt » Sun Mar 31, 2013 08:05 am

ademort wrote:Today at work it snowed again, i can,t believe it. Is it really Global warming.????
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Re: Well i,m no scientist BUT

Postby Ballysmate » Sun Mar 31, 2013 08:14 am

Philly8mt wrote:
ademort wrote:Today at work it snowed again, i can,t believe it. Is it really Global warming.????
Ademort


Buy a bigger, thirstier car .. burn ya rubbish in the back garden .. Only purchase items with the most incredible packaging ...

And ... Book tickets for a Jumbo jet!

1 Car.....Check
2 Burn Rubbish.....Check
3 Check. Had to do 2 because of 3.
4, Pass the holiday brochure......

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Re: Well i,m no scientist BUT

Postby finchy » Sun Mar 31, 2013 09:28 am

verylonglegs wrote:It's no longer called global warming, they now say 'climate change' after realising they were actually wrong. However it will never be called 'Unpredictable events we like to guess at' otherwise researchers may lose their grants. Damn this weather has got to me and made me cynical...I need a bike ride!


The weather's got to you and made you start talking **** - global warming and climate change have been used interchangeably for decades and still are now.

Haven't you got a turbo to get the blood flowing to your brain again?

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Re: Well i,m no scientist BUT

Postby SoloSuperia » Sun Mar 31, 2013 09:36 am

On radio 4 the other day they had someone retiring as "The man who makes predictions about the climate so we can introduce more stealth taxes" Saying we are all going to hell in an handcart, indeed I think he said it was going to be hotter than hell!
The interviewer then quoted someone from MIT, must admit I'm always in awe of MIT people!
Anyhow he said that basically the climate/ weather variations are so small it is impossible to base any form of trend on them.
You hear so many different opinions often offered so dogmatically.....
I don't know who to believe.

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Re: Well i,m no scientist BUT

Postby RDW » Sun Mar 31, 2013 09:42 am

ademort wrote:Today at work it snowed again, i can,t believe it. Is it really Global warming.????


Haven't you read the leaflet?: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQlHaGhYoF0

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Re: Well i,m no scientist BUT

Postby Ballysmate » Sun Mar 31, 2013 10:10 am

SoloSuperia wrote:You hear so many different opinions often offered so dogmatically.....
I don't know who to believe.


You can plot data onto a Cartesian graph to show any trend you want. The same data can produce anything from a zig zag line with huge peaks and troughs to an almost flat line. It all depends on the scale of the co-ordinates on the x y axes.
People tend to produce 'trends' to either try to substantiate or disprove hypotheses, depending on their position.

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Re: Well i,m no scientist BUT

Postby Mccaria » Sun Mar 31, 2013 10:17 am

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2 ... NTCMP=SRCH

Global warming may not necessarily mean warmer temps. Impact of changing wind patterns one of the latest suggestions

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Postby sungod » Sun Mar 31, 2013 10:25 am

it's a bit like the old debate on depletion of the ozone layer

years of of resistance from industry and their paid politicians, and to this day widespread evasion and refusal to stop production and use of freon etc.

it's too late now for the poor sods living in patagonia and similar places, plus of course the plants and animals, they all get to live with the consequences of high uvb levels

increasing atmospheric CO2 (and other 'greenhouse gases') will increase the energy held in the atmosphere, aka global warming, that's physics, anyone who claims otherwise is delusional

whether that extra energy is causing climate change is debatable, it seems reasonable to assume it'll do something to the climate, natural variations in solar output cause changes too, as do volcanic eruptions, there's a lot of uncertainly and we're not clever enough to predict exactly what will happen and when - if we could, we'd also have really accurate long term weather forecasts

the problem is, if we wait until we can incontestably prove climate change, then as with ozone depletion it'll be too late to do anything about it

probably won't affect me, but it could be a real bummer for the future inhabitants
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Re: Well i,m no scientist BUT

Postby team47b » Sun Mar 31, 2013 10:40 am

Today at home it rained again, I can't believe it. Is it really Global warming?

No it's weather :D
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Re: Well i,m no scientist BUT

Postby ethanhayes » Sun Mar 31, 2013 10:59 am

sungod wrote:whether that extra energy is causing climate change is debatable, it seems reasonable to assume it'll do something to the climate, natural variations in solar output cause changes too, as do volcanic eruptions, there's a lot of uncertainly and we're not clever enough to predict exactly what will happen and when - if we could, we'd also have really accurate long term weather forecasts

the problem is, if we wait until we can incontestably prove climate change, then as with ozone depletion it'll be too late to do anything about it
probably won't affect me, but it could be a real bummer for the future inhabitants


And that's why myself and countless academics are putting in years of our lives to understand this, while we still can. Even if we are wrong.
3 years of undergrad, 1 year of MSc by research, 5 years of PhD research and a life time of postdoctoral research.
Thousands of datasets. Thousands of locations. Masses of peer reviewed literature all with similar conclusions.
Yet the woman behind the till at the local Tesco knows better than the so called scientists because, 'it was wet all summer'.

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Re: Well i,m no scientist BUT

Postby ethanhayes » Sun Mar 31, 2013 11:00 am

But seriously, I wish the snow would bugger off!

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Re: Well i,m no scientist BUT

Postby ademort » Sun Mar 31, 2013 11:05 am

ethanhayes wrote:But seriously, I wish the snow would bugger off!



So do i. :D
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Re: Well i,m no scientist BUT

Postby finchy » Sun Mar 31, 2013 12:55 pm

ethanhayes wrote:
sungod wrote:whether that extra energy is causing climate change is debatable, it seems reasonable to assume it'll do something to the climate, natural variations in solar output cause changes too, as do volcanic eruptions, there's a lot of uncertainly and we're not clever enough to predict exactly what will happen and when - if we could, we'd also have really accurate long term weather forecasts

the problem is, if we wait until we can incontestably prove climate change, then as with ozone depletion it'll be too late to do anything about it
probably won't affect me, but it could be a real bummer for the future inhabitants


And that's why myself and countless academics are putting in years of our lives to understand this, while we still can. Even if we are wrong.
3 years of undergrad, 1 year of MSc by research, 5 years of PhD research and a life time of postdoctoral research.
Thousands of datasets. Thousands of locations. Masses of peer reviewed literature all with similar conclusions.
Yet the woman behind the till at the local Tesco knows better than the so called scientists because, 'it was wet all summer'.

Image


:lol: Doesn't annoy me in the slightest, I promise!


Well, you would say that, wouldn't you? You're clearly a part of the global conspiracy.

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Re: Well i,m no scientist BUT

Postby verylonglegs » Sun Mar 31, 2013 15:01 pm

johnfinch wrote:
verylonglegs wrote:It's no longer called global warming, they now say 'climate change' after realising they were actually wrong. However it will never be called 'Unpredictable events we like to guess at' otherwise researchers may lose their grants. Damn this weather has got to me and made me cynical...I need a bike ride!


The weather's got to you and made you start talking **** - global warming and climate change have been used interchangeably for decades and still are now.

Haven't you got a turbo to get the blood flowing to your brain again?


hehe, into the net you go...always get someone taking flippant comments too seriously. Sounds like you need to relax more than I do :wink: 40miles done today thankfully with the occasional sprinkling of hail :x I bought a turbo many years ago, two 20 mins uses later it was dispatched to the back of the garage never to be seen again, hateful devices.

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Re: Well i,m no scientist BUT

Postby Frank the tank » Sun Mar 31, 2013 15:20 pm

When the north Koreans launch a few nuclear misiles that'll warm things up a bit. :wink:
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Re: Well i,m no scientist BUT

Postby finchy » Sun Mar 31, 2013 15:54 pm

verylonglegs wrote:
johnfinch wrote:
verylonglegs wrote:It's no longer called global warming, they now say 'climate change' after realising they were actually wrong. However it will never be called 'Unpredictable events we like to guess at' otherwise researchers may lose their grants. Damn this weather has got to me and made me cynical...I need a bike ride!


The weather's got to you and made you start talking **** - global warming and climate change have been used interchangeably for decades and still are now.

Haven't you got a turbo to get the blood flowing to your brain again?


hehe, into the net you go...always get someone taking flippant comments too seriously. Sounds like you need to relax more than I do :wink: 40miles done today thankfully with the occasional sprinkling of hail :x I bought a turbo many years ago, two 20 mins uses later it was dispatched to the back of the garage never to be seen again, hateful devices.


To be honest, I thought that someone like you wouldn't be making silly comments like that in all seriousness. My response wasn't meant to be particularly serious either - see the second sentence.


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