Cavendish - best sportsman in the world?

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Cavendish - best sportsman in the world?

Postby woodford2barbican » Sun May 26, 2013 22:13 pm

David Walsh mentioned on his twitter feed a while back that Cavendish was currently one of the best sportsman in the world.

I can see his point, he is streets ahead of his nearest competitors and has been for several years. He seems to be able to execute his talent at will.

Not sure how to judge this, perhaps the only way is to asses who the competitors for that title are, Messi, Cristiano Ronaldo, Vettel....?

Who else could be judged to be in such a group and could Cavendish be the current 'best' of that group?

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Re: Cavendish - best sportsman in the world?

Postby philbar72 » Sun May 26, 2013 22:26 pm

No other sprinter has the acceleration, top end, or the bloody minded will to win that cav has. His nearest competitors this year are greipel, bouhanni and kittel, none of whom have his class.

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Re: Cavendish - best sportsman in the world?

Postby Walter White » Sun May 26, 2013 22:38 pm

Hes in the elite group of sportsmen on this planet for sure.

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Re: Cavendish - best sportsman in the world?

Postby ThomThom » Sun May 26, 2013 23:36 pm

Is this a joke?

Let's see how good a Nibali would be if he turned up in Naples with 3-4 kilo overweight..

Best sprinter in the world? Definitely.
Best sportsman in the world? Not even close.

I like Cav but that's a hilarious claim. Being paced by 8 teammates until 200m before the finish line versus a Nibali, Wiggins, Contador, Froome, Evans etc.. who conquer ridiculous mountains with ridiculous speeds..

It's a tough one..

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Re: Cavendish - best sportsman in the world?

Postby RichN95 » Mon May 27, 2013 00:45 am

In sport there are very few things which have shorter odds than Cavendish winning a bunch sprint.

The only person I can think of who is as much a sure bet at a really high level is Usain Bolt.

So if Walsh is coming from a position of dominance, he may well have a point.
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Postby nic_77 » Mon May 27, 2013 02:14 am

RichN95 wrote:In sport there are very few things which have shorter odds than Cavendish winning a bunch sprint.

The only person I can think of who is as much a sure bet at a really high level is Usain Bolt.

So if Walsh is coming from a position of dominance, he may well have a point.


Yep, that's where he was coming from...

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“@DavidWalshST: I said yesterday, and have been saying for two years, Cavendish is better at what he does than anyone, in any sport. What a will-to-win.”

Bolt is a good shout. Ben Ainslie - if that's a sport (meets my criterion in that it requires a change of footwear)? - another who you'd put your house on. Mo Farah - maybe hasn't been doing it long enough? Marianne Vos is probably the major contender from cycling, and she's more versatile.

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Postby wombly knees » Mon May 27, 2013 03:05 am

Prior to his ban, and so far even after it, pretty much the most predictable thing in cycling was a Contador grand tour win. I don't like him, but he's got to be at the top on that count.

A stretch to call Cav the best cyclist, let alone best sportsman.

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Re: Cavendish - best sportsman in the world?

Postby Rick Chasey » Mon May 27, 2013 04:10 am

Obviously.

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Re: Cavendish - best sportsman in the world?

Postby philbar72 » Mon May 27, 2013 06:12 am

Best sprinter, yes, best all rounder, no. Best all rounder, probably nibbles/groomed/ contador in our sport. Honourable mentions to wiggins and Rodriguez (both have big flaws).

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Re: Cavendish - best sportsman in the world?

Postby estampida » Mon May 27, 2013 06:55 am

I think you will find something on your nose there.......... :lol:

as he only competed in 1 sport, not really an all round sportsman.....

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Postby mike6 » Mon May 27, 2013 07:30 am

I think, as he qualified it by saying best as what he does ie sprinting. Cav is a specialist sprinter. To compare him to the GT contenders is apples and oranges. No one doubts that Bolt is the best sprinter at this time, thats what he does,so you cant then say he is no good cos he has not won a 10k or a marathon. Again apples and oranges.

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Postby seanoconn » Mon May 27, 2013 07:53 am

Yeah it's fair to say. Cavendish is outstanding in his field. And the only other in with a shout would be Cancellara.
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Re: Cavendish - best sportsman in the world?

Postby ALIHISGREAT » Mon May 27, 2013 09:01 am

philbar72 wrote:Best sprinter, yes, best all rounder, no. Best all rounder, probably nibbles/groomed/ contador in our sport. Honourable mentions to wiggins and Rodriguez (both have big flaws).


Best all rounder? Wiggins is flawed?

He's gone from winning Olympic track golds to TT gold and the Tour de France... and he's a flawed all rounder? Yeah that makes sense!

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Re: Cavendish - best sportsman in the world?

Postby TailWindHome » Mon May 27, 2013 09:34 am

ALIHISGREAT wrote:
philbar72 wrote:Best sprinter, yes, best all rounder, no. Best all rounder, probably nibbles/groomed/ contador in our sport. Honourable mentions to wiggins and Rodriguez (both have big flaws).


Best all rounder? Wiggins is flawed?

He's gone from winning Olympic track golds to TT gold and the Tour de France... and he's a flawed all rounder? Yeah that makes sense!



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Re: Cavendish - best sportsman in the world?

Postby Jez mon » Mon May 27, 2013 10:04 am

TailWindHome wrote:
ALIHISGREAT wrote:
philbar72 wrote:Best sprinter, yes, best all rounder, no. Best all rounder, probably nibbles/groomed/ contador in our sport. Honourable mentions to wiggins and Rodriguez (both have big flaws).


Best all rounder? Wiggins is flawed?

He's gone from winning Olympic track golds to TT gold and the Tour de France... and he's a flawed all rounder? Yeah that makes sense!



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As far as I recall, the above criticisms could relate to Contador too...

I think there is a case for Cavendish, but it comes down to how you see sprint stages fitting in with the rest of cycling. If you see them as as integral and important part of a grand tour, then you're going to admire his achievements. If you see them as the flat boring bits between the stages where the GC gets decided, then obviously, Cav's achievements look a little meaningless.
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Re: Cavendish - best sportsman in the world?

Postby inseine » Mon May 27, 2013 10:07 am

TailWindHome wrote:
ALIHISGREAT wrote:
philbar72 wrote:Best sprinter, yes, best all rounder, no. Best all rounder, probably nibbles/groomed/ contador in our sport. Honourable mentions to wiggins and Rodriguez (both have big flaws).


Best all rounder? Wiggins is flawed?

He's gone from winning Olympic track golds to TT gold and the Tour de France... and he's a flawed all rounder? Yeah that makes sense!



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National champs not of any note :D

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Re: Cavendish - best sportsman in the world?

Postby TailWindHome » Mon May 27, 2013 10:15 am

inseine wrote:
TailWindHome wrote:
ALIHISGREAT wrote:
philbar72 wrote:Best sprinter, yes, best all rounder, no. Best all rounder, probably nibbles/groomed/ contador in our sport. Honourable mentions to wiggins and Rodriguez (both have big flaws).


Best all rounder? Wiggins is flawed?

He's gone from winning Olympic track golds to TT gold and the Tour de France... and he's a flawed all rounder? Yeah that makes sense!



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National champs not of any note :D


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Re: Cavendish - best sportsman in the world?

Postby ddraver » Mon May 27, 2013 10:51 am

Ok, One of the best - yes

THE best - No

I think Vos has a very good shout at that, I can't really see an alternative. Heptathletes/Decathletes maybe but then that's a bit different
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Re: Cavendish - best sportsman in the world?

Postby ThomThom » Mon May 27, 2013 10:55 am

If a sprinter can be 'best sportsman of the world' that's a god damn easy way to be it. I can't even begin to describe how much more an effort 80% of the riders in the peloton do throughout a GT than the sprinters.

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Re: Cavendish - best sportsman in the world?

Postby ddraver » Mon May 27, 2013 10:56 am

Well, please try becasue most informed people say that thats rubbish...
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