New rear wheel

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New rear wheel

Postby Thenovice » Tue Aug 20, 2013 17:49 pm

Hello, my first post here but i'm sure it wont be my last as i have a fair few questions to come.

Im looking for a new rear wheel for my 2010 specialized hardrock sport disc as i have buckled the rear wheel and rather than try and repair i think it is a good opportunity to upgrade.

Im not too concerned with the overall weight but it needs a fairly tough wheel as i weight about 95Kg so needs to stand up to a bit of abuse. Ideally want a quality hub so a rebuild would be an option in the future rather than a new wheel, good seals so i don't have to service them too regularly and have around £90 to spend.

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Re: New rear wheel

Postby ej2320 » Tue Aug 20, 2013 18:33 pm

how many speeds is the cassette?
what's the axle? 135 x 12?

http://www.cyclesportsuk.co.uk/wheels-h ... -6989.html

this should do the job but it might not fit your bike

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Re: New rear wheel

Postby cooldad » Tue Aug 20, 2013 19:10 pm

You don't need anything like that on a Hardrock unless you weigh a few tons, about the same as the wheels do.
Have a look on Merlin or Superstar.
I weigh about the same and have wheels weighing half that with 24 spokes.
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Re: New rear wheel

Postby YeehaaMcgee » Tue Aug 20, 2013 20:38 pm

Even light wheels can be incredibly strong if built properly. Don't get too hung up about super-heavy-duty wheels.

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Re: New rear wheel

Postby Thenovice » Tue Aug 20, 2013 22:01 pm

Its an 8 speed cassette with a 135 x 12 axle, forgot to mention that in my original post.

If there Halo Combat II's are a bit overkill, would you say the following would be a good option?


http://www.merlincycles.com/bike-shop/w ... -disc.html

(Perhaps upgrading to the XT hub? and EN321/EN521 rims?)

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Re: New rear wheel

Postby YeehaaMcgee » Tue Aug 20, 2013 22:06 pm

Thenovice wrote:Its an 8 speed cassette with a 135 x 12 axle, forgot to mention that in my original post.

If there Halo Combat II's are a bit overkill, would you say the following would be a good option?


http://www.merlincycles.com/bike-shop/w ... -disc.html

(Perhaps upgrading to the XT hub? and EN321/EN521 rims?)


The 317 is a narrow rim, now that may cause problems with some pinch flats, for a heavier rider (don't worry, I'm barely any lighter than you myself!), so yeah, I'd opt for maybe the 321, or preferably the 521 rim.
As for hubs, it really doesn't make much difference. Most shimano hubs are incredibly similar.

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Re: New rear wheel

Postby Giraffoto » Wed Aug 21, 2013 06:54 am

YeehaaMcgee wrote:Most shimano hubs are incredibly similar.


Deore and SLX have smaller axles and bearing cups/cones than XT
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Re: New rear wheel

Postby flanimal » Wed Aug 21, 2013 08:34 am

I was recently in a similar position. I ended up going for a Merlin built wheel of Deore hub on XM319 rim, I weigh similar and had buckled my wheel on my last couple of rides so went for DT Swiss plain gauge spokes (which on hindsight may have been a bit of overkill)

So far very happy with the wheel.

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Re: New rear wheel

Postby YeehaaMcgee » Wed Aug 21, 2013 09:16 am

My trusted wheelbuilder of many years once told me that straight gauge spokes aren't actually as strong. the butting process actually increases the strength of the spoke.
He seemed to know his stuff, so I trust him.

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Re: New rear wheel

Postby Thenovice » Wed Aug 21, 2013 12:04 pm

Thanks for the replies so far, think i'm going to go with the EN521 rim on the XT hub, but would you say its worth upgrading the spokes or will the standard ACI S/S DB / DT Plain Gauge be fine?

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Re: New rear wheel

Postby YeehaaMcgee » Wed Aug 21, 2013 12:13 pm

standard spokes will be fine. Just get whatever you're comfortable paying. Like I said, I've always been led to believe that double butted spokes are better in every way.

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Re: New rear wheel

Postby supersonic » Wed Aug 21, 2013 12:37 pm

Hardrocks do not have 12mm rear axles, are 10mm for quick release.

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Re: New rear wheel

Postby swod1 » Thu Aug 22, 2013 11:59 am

Thenovice wrote:Thanks for the replies so far, think i'm going to go with the EN521 rim on the XT hub, but would you say its worth upgrading the spokes or will the standard ACI S/S DB / DT Plain Gauge be fine?


I've just recently about a month ago bought a new rear wheel and got built a en521 rim with xt hub but do think its overkill for my riding or the original wheel was weak.

I phoned merlin cycles before ordering and asked them and they said the aci spokes would be fine, i ordered the black spokes to match.

There is a guide on merlins website under Handbuilt wheels which suggest dt plain gauge spokes for heavy duty am/dh wheel setup.

Will you be wanting to try tubeless in the future as you could get a stans ztr flow or crest wheel ?

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Re: New rear wheel

Postby Thenovice » Thu Aug 22, 2013 16:22 pm

Thanks supersonic, i have no idea why i said it was 12mm now. I knew it uses a standard quick release.

Im not too interested in trying tubeless at the moment, prefer to stick to what i know for the time being.

Thanks for the link to the hand built wheels guide, has cleared up a few things for me.

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Re: New rear wheel

Postby Thenovice » Fri Aug 23, 2013 09:52 am

Have ordered the following, thanks guys.

Rear Hub XT 6-Bolt Disc - Quick Release
Rim Mavic EN521 Black - Disc
Spokes ACI S/S DB Black

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Re: New rear wheel

Postby The Rookie » Fri Aug 23, 2013 10:22 am

Should make a nice solid build, much lighter than original as well.

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Re: New rear wheel

Postby swod1 » Fri Aug 23, 2013 11:47 am

The Rookie wrote:Should make a nice solid build, much lighter than original as well.


yeah the rim is 540g according to mavic website which i think must be wrong, its more beefy wheel but i don't think it is heavy.

I might weight mine and compare it to the original wheel i replaced it with.

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Re: New rear wheel

Postby supersonic » Fri Aug 23, 2013 12:19 pm

I reckon it will actually be heavier than the original.

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Re: New rear wheel

Postby POAH » Fri Aug 23, 2013 13:10 pm

probably around 1150grams I recon

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Re: New rear wheel

Postby LeeJay » Sat Aug 24, 2013 10:05 am

http://superstar.tibolts.co.uk/product_ ... cts_id=501

I went for those on the 721 hub, and have felt a major increase and stiffness over my original bontrager wheels. Sure they're heavier, but im no spring chicken (120kg+). Gave them a good workout over the chase last sunday, and they held up really well.


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